Mock Canadian Civil War

[Archer 007]

I was planning to a Civ 2 scenario along this line, but Im sure Sourboy is working on Civ 3, so I must contiune working.

 

[SuperBeaverInc.]

Someone should try to do a map of what we think a seperated Canada would look like according to all the theories we have come up with.

 

[Loaf Warden]

I have heard that Alaska is a bit independent - anyone see them joining Western Canada?

No. Certainly not voluntarily. Despite our geographic position, our identity is not the least bit Canadian. We don't think of ourselves as Canadians, and if any part of Canada tried to take over any part of us, our resistance would be fierce.

I'm not saying we'd win, if the rest of the United States was torn up and couldn't come to our aid. That would depend on how much effort Western Canada was willing to put into it. But from the sound of things, in your scenario Western Canada has its own problems, and couldn't be bothered to try to conquer Alaska.

In real life, there is separatist sentiment here in Alaska, but it's not significant enough to be in danger of influencing our behavior as a state. There is no sentiment for splitting off and trying to join Canada. We're proud to be Americans, and we want to stay Americans. But in the context of your scenario, my best guess is that if the United States was falling apart anyway and no longer had real cohesion, we would probably split off and go it alone.

 

[Desmond Hawkins]

As for the Canadian army, well, a significant % of the soldiers are French, and many bases are on Québec's soil. I strongly doubt that these soldiers would participate in an agression against their motherland

All the weapons (fighters too) belong to Canada though.

 

[sourboy]

I was planning to a Civ 2 scenario along this line, but Im sure Sourboy is working on Civ 3, so I must contiune working.

I am making the scenario for Civ3: Conquests

Someone should try to do a map of what we think a seperated Canada would look like according to all the theories we have come up with.

I have been doing exactly that on the side, both with Canada & the USA. I will post the maps with the best/most likely options for the scenario, so we can get a better feel for the scenario layout. I'm working on them right now.

 

[tonberry]

Ohh, this is an interesting question.

Quebec is slowly being kind of assimilated with the rest of Canada, and Quebec is almost half and half English and French. It might turn into anger versus the Federal Government, but hmm . . .

86% of the people in Quebec have french as their native language.

 

[sourboy]

Okay, here are the best options for Canada in terms of a split country. Keep in mind that Labrador is debatable, and the Maritime Isles (as shown in the first picture) could possibly be part of the Northeastern US:

Here is a reference as to what the United States would look like - the only real difference being the central states. It's pretty debatable, but I may go with whatever is better for gameplay - since it's a minor difference. Also, Latin America & the Caribbean will either be as shown, or each country will be a Civ - again with gameplay in mind:

Hope this helps, suggestions greatly appreciated!

thx!

 

[SuperBeaverInc.]

Looking nice. Altough, what about Nunavut? Would they try to be independent? They would probably be pretty small on Civ if they were independent though. So for gameplay, it would probably be better if they were just one city(Iqualuit) which belonged to Western Canada. Also, all the northern islands should be red. For Latin America, I don't think that they would join together, so probably each one independent.

 

[Manverulin]

Nice maps, Sourboy. Here's one of Canada concerning the possiblity of Nunavut gaining independence. It's a bit fuzzy, but it does the job.

I think it would be interesting having Nunavut as a civ. They could start off with maybe just a few cities, though. Even though they're population is small, the hold a large amount of territory. Well, at least more than Ontario or Québec, anyway.

 

[sourboy]

What about Nunavut? Would they try to be independent? They would probably be pretty small on Civ if they were independent though. So for gameplay, it would probably be better if they were just one city(Iqualuit) which belonged to Western Canada. Also, all the northern islands should be red. For Latin America, I don't think that they would join together, so probably each one independent.

Nunavut basically takes up only one city spot on the map I'm using (as the northern part is basically uninhabited). If I go with individual countries in Central America - Nunavut would go solo too. Otherwise, I would just add them to Canada/Western Canada depending on which of the above is used in the scenario. I didn't shade in the arctic isles of Canada in the pictures since they are basically uninhabited - and thus not really used.

As for Central America, there are a couple of things that need to be looked at. For one, each country would only have enough landmass for 1 city, thus not having much influence on the rest of the continent. This would hamper their unit building too, as they wouldn't have room for resources within their borders - thus forcing them to trade for essentially all their resources. Also, each of these countries would be a bit behind technologically. Another tech aspect is the fact that 8 tiny Civs in such close proximity may cause for an unrealistic, rapid increase in technology. I don't expect a great technology increase in the scenario, as it takes place over a short period of time - in an area that is focusing more on re-establishing security & trade, then anything else.

 

[CornMaster]

Me and a friend are working on the same thing. We have most of the Maritime Cities placed.

 

[Zarn]

US Southerners don't make good federalists, as they have more of a state pride thing. The northerners/ Great Lakes region people are more in tune for a federal republic as a government form meaning they prefer a strong federal government, though states have some rights. Southerns tend to emphasis states rights more than that.

Edit: Oh and the US north would likely have Quebec's back. The South would either support the west (Canada) or Ontario.

 

[YotoKiller]

Yeah. Knowing southerners, a SE Republic would be re-named the Confederate States of America.

 

[sourboy]

I agree the south has great pride. Whatever I end up going with, I thought I should reflect that as well. I wouldn't think it likely they would use a Confederate name again, but something like the "Southern States of America" or something would be.

 

[Zarn]

I think PR should be under US. They love their status within the nation.

 

[sourboy]

Really? I thought they were mostly torn over it - or are they just torn about the possibility of becoming a state?

 

[The Yankee]

They're rather happy being a commonwealth....which is why I think the next vote should be statehood or independence..but that's another story.

It should probably be put under the remnant US (the northeast part).

 

[sourboy]

So even in a case where the US splits into a few factions you still think there's enough support that Puerto Rico would stay with the mainland US?

 

[Zarn]

So even in a case where the US splits into a few factions you still think there's enough support that Puerto Rico would stay with the mainland US?

Yeah.

Puerto Rico is pretty cool with the union. In fact, there are Puerto Ricans in the Northeast though spread out...

 

[sourboy]

Now I just need to find locations for major resources in North America. I may have to grab the ol' encyclopedia's...