i checked i have the 1.52 patch and i havent downloaded haarbels civs but whenever i try to play 090 it restarts like normal then comes up with loads of xml error messages. i got in by holding the escape button but when ui stared a game i clicked on my town and i had stuff like internet and manhatten project on my building list. Does anyone know how to fix this?
[MOD] Fall from Heaven
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Kael
Deity
Oli said:
Hmm.. No you shouldn't really have to.
Your 'Mods' directory should have a 'Fall from Heaven 090' directory in it. Make sure there aren't any underscores in the name.
The 'Fall from Heaven 090' directory should have a 'Assets' directory, 'Fall from Heaven 090.ini' file, 'changelog.txt' file and 'Readme.rtf' files in it.
Kidinnu
Chieftain
You didn't extract correctly from the Zip file.Oli said:
naf4ever
Dread Lord
I like the mod but am wondering if you have future plans to really add more uniqueness to possible civs and/or the religeons. I guess i cant help but compare this mod to the excellent master of myrror mod for civ 3. What i loved about that one most wasnt just the fantasy aspect but how different the game was when playing a different race. If you played the Death magic people you were locked into a form of communism that seems plausible for an undead type of people. Your units were unique and no other civs except for other death mages could use wraiths, skeletons or black dragons etc... Even some national wonders and a few buildings were different so much that it gave you an entire different playing experience depending on what type of racial magic you chose at the beginning.
Any plans for stuff like this? I know you already have a few things such as this like the restrictions right now for 1 civic thats unique to each religeon It would cool if though if there were more, it looks like now there is only a couple unique units per religeon..... For example it seems odd that you can choose pacificm when octopus overlords is your state religeon. Also you'd think an empire that is the fellowship of the leaves might get more bonuses from using forest or jungle squares, while Runes of Kilmorph perhaps work mountain squares better, octopus people sea, etc.... It would be neat if the game were fundamentally different for the player depending on what religeon they chose. This would also encourage different styles of city placement. Perhaps someone of the Runes might have an empire predominantly consisting of cities in hilly areas, the leaves an empire of jungle cities, etc.. Of course for this to have an effect you would need to get the religeons much earlier in the game.
As for a useful suggestion to this: Perhaps more national wonders that coincide with the religeons. This was how the master of mirror mod really defined the different races. For example a national wonder that perhaps gives the unique bonuses i was mentioning above for each religeon but then will give big negatives to your empire if you ever switch from that state religeon. Building it would in essence be committing yourself to that style of play.
Any plans for stuff like this? I know you already have a few things such as this like the restrictions right now for 1 civic thats unique to each religeon It would cool if though if there were more, it looks like now there is only a couple unique units per religeon..... For example it seems odd that you can choose pacificm when octopus overlords is your state religeon. Also you'd think an empire that is the fellowship of the leaves might get more bonuses from using forest or jungle squares, while Runes of Kilmorph perhaps work mountain squares better, octopus people sea, etc.... It would be neat if the game were fundamentally different for the player depending on what religeon they chose. This would also encourage different styles of city placement. Perhaps someone of the Runes might have an empire predominantly consisting of cities in hilly areas, the leaves an empire of jungle cities, etc.. Of course for this to have an effect you would need to get the religeons much earlier in the game.
As for a useful suggestion to this: Perhaps more national wonders that coincide with the religeons. This was how the master of mirror mod really defined the different races. For example a national wonder that perhaps gives the unique bonuses i was mentioning above for each religeon but then will give big negatives to your empire if you ever switch from that state religeon. Building it would in essence be committing yourself to that style of play.
Kael
Deity
naf4ever said:
The short answer is yes.
The long answer is that there is a whole set of 21 civs that are designed for the mod but they are scoped for phase 2. The civs should play different and add in some of the uniqueness that you are looking for.
That said there probably won't be many restrictions. If you want to plat a pacficifist country that worshippers the overlords, more power to you. Now of course you are incented to be aggresive with them (because slaves = good, and war is needed to get slaves) but if you don't want to be thats your choice.
So expect certain civ's and religions to support different play styles better, but I try to keep the options as open as possible.
A big "thank you" for sir not appearing in this mod. The civilizations will be replaced by fantasy ones? Aww. I gather I'm in the minority but I actually liked the real-world civilizations; as the mod starts off in an identical fashion before swerving to another direction, they give a sense of 'us in other circumstances' that does wonders for the immersion.
Kael
Deity
Kizor said:
I actually didn't think the civs were a big deal, which is why I pushed them to phase 2 (and there are some thngs I want to do with them that will take the SDK). But once I tried Haarbal's fantasy civ's I was surprised at how much better it makes the mod. So Im hoping you will be plesently surprised once you try them out.
loki1232
Loki
naf4ever said:
Yes, that was one of my favorite mods for CIV III. I would love to see something like that here, but it would be hard to do with 21 civs instead of 12.
Just so you know I'm on your side.
However, I get the impression that Kael really dislikes that kind of thing. Unfortunate. Once the new civs come in though i hope we will be able to add some non-cosmetic differences.
However, I do think that all the civs should have access to every one of the four main unit branches: melee, archer, horse, and recon. Different civs would get bonuses in these areas, but not that significantly.
If kael posted this list of civs again I'm sure we'd go nuts argueing about them. *hint hint*.
Kael
Deity
So there was a lot of talk before the release of 0.90 about the fact that the civics needed some work. Are they better now? Are there any other changes that should be considered?
loki1232
Loki
Also, now that i think about it, in MoM (master of myrror) there were only 5 types, but each type had three different civs with different flavors.
We could do something like that here.
Each of the civs will be able to choose between two religions. the two good, the two bad, fellowship and agnostic. Their style will be much based on both the civ and the religion. However, in addition to being able to choose between their two religions, there will be many events in the game where they can switch "alingments".
This is kinda a comprimise.
We could do something like that here.
Each of the civs will be able to choose between two religions. the two good, the two bad, fellowship and agnostic. Their style will be much based on both the civ and the religion. However, in addition to being able to choose between their two religions, there will be many events in the game where they can switch "alingments".
This is kinda a comprimise.
Kael
Deity
The current civ list according to the design doc:
Spoiler :
loki1232
Loki
Kael said:
IMO they still need a bit of work.
1. Conquest should give +2 XP, not one. The idea is that their units start with one promotion so they can more easily conquer their enemies.
2. Free religion changed to atheism. No state. No spread of non-state. +2 unhappiness per state religion. Can build inquisitors without a dungeon. +25% science.
3. Aristocracy give +1 unit supported per city. That's the number of fat lords needed to rule it.
4. Sacrifice the weak give +1 unhappiness. The ashen veil spreads faster with it.
5. Scholarship is too weak. Should have +2 happiness from library, and +2 from great library.
6. Pacifism gives +100% GP rate. That's its only point.
7. Mercantilism should get +100% trade route yeilds instead of the +10% gold. Isn't that the whole point of it?
8. Foreign trade should get a science boost, not a culture boost. Many hands make light work.
9. Theocracy should get +10 military unit production.
more once i think of it.
loki1232
Loki
Heres the "Good guys"
Shared traits:
Can only use Runes or Order except through events.
Diplomacy highly based on religious alignment.
Get +1 happiness in all cities (people know that good is good)
NB: Dwarf races can continue to worship Runes, even if they become bad guys. Same with elves, demons, and vampires. Basically any of the races.
Those who prefer the Order:
Shared traits:
Unlikely to get events allowing them to switch alignments casually.
Increased military might.
Trends towards religious crusades.
Gets bonuses in disciple class units.
However, their "special units" (like UU's, just a heckuva lot of them) will be somewhat different from each other, based more on their sphere of magic.
Bannor
Alignment: Good (Law)
Race: Human
Malakim
Alignment: Good (Sun)
Race: Human
Elohim
Alignment: Good (Spirit)
Race: Human
Those who prefer Runes:
Shared traits:
Likely to be able to switch alignment to neutral.
More focused on spells and economy.
(need help here...)
However, their "special units" (like UU's, just a heckuva lot of them) will be somewhat different from each other, based more on their sphere of magic. I know i just said this, but for those people with intelligence defects...
Mercurians
Alignment: Good (Life)
Race: Human
Luchuirp
Alignment: Good
Race: Dwarf
Enemies: Sheaim, Balseraphs
Kuriotates
Alignment: Good (Creation)
Race: Human
Shared traits:
Can only use Runes or Order except through events.
Diplomacy highly based on religious alignment.
Get +1 happiness in all cities (people know that good is good)
NB: Dwarf races can continue to worship Runes, even if they become bad guys. Same with elves, demons, and vampires. Basically any of the races.
Those who prefer the Order:
Shared traits:
Unlikely to get events allowing them to switch alignments casually.
Increased military might.
Trends towards religious crusades.
Gets bonuses in disciple class units.
However, their "special units" (like UU's, just a heckuva lot of them) will be somewhat different from each other, based more on their sphere of magic.
Bannor
Alignment: Good (Law)
Race: Human
Malakim
Alignment: Good (Sun)
Race: Human
Elohim
Alignment: Good (Spirit)
Race: Human
Those who prefer Runes:
Shared traits:
Likely to be able to switch alignment to neutral.
More focused on spells and economy.
(need help here...)
However, their "special units" (like UU's, just a heckuva lot of them) will be somewhat different from each other, based more on their sphere of magic. I know i just said this, but for those people with intelligence defects...
Mercurians
Alignment: Good (Life)
Race: Human
Luchuirp
Alignment: Good
Race: Dwarf
Enemies: Sheaim, Balseraphs
Kuriotates
Alignment: Good (Creation)
Race: Human
Leitmotif
Chieftain
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I might have missed this somewhere, but can the Veil train High Priests? I guess it makes sense that they can't, but i just wanted to know for sure. I have a Cathedral, Incense, and Theology and just can't seem to make 'em - which is a shame because my army of corpses is spreading disease all over the **** and i could really use something that can cure.
loki1232
Loki
You know what would be really fun? If we took one of the large Earth maps, added the FfH resources, then played it as FfH. Also, once we get the civs we can match them to where the real-world civ Kael is basing them off of came from. And of course, some embellishment is allowed. Otherwise Europe would get mighty crowded.
loki1232
Loki
Leitmotif said:
Nope. ha ha ha. I laugh at your diseased minions and their trail of destruction. Man I wish that this was a multiplayer game....
Kael
Deity
Leitmotif said:
Nope. Thats the weakness of the Veil. They can spread veil but can't cure it. Demons are immune to disease and make excellent fighters in disease infested worlds.
loki1232
Loki
Kael said:
Btw I really think that the demons should be made stronger. I'm not selling my soul for those puny things! Also, I think that all of the veil's specialists and temples (and to a lesser extent the OO's) should contribute GP points to demons.
