Morality exists without your God.

[Synobun]

Let me clarify:

How do you decide what goes in the positive section and what goes in the negative section?

If you can tell me how throwing a baby against the wall is positive, by all means, go ahead. You refused to do that earlier, but I have high hopes for you this time.

 

[Ajidica]

EDIT: Ignore, I completely misread what had been posted.

 

[AdamGM]

If you can tell me how throwing a baby against the wall is positive, by all means, go ahead. You refused to do that earlier, but I have high hopes for you this time.

You aren't answering the question.

HOW do you decide whether anything is right or wrong. What defines your example as wrong?

 

[Synobun]

You aren't answering the question.

HOW do you decide whether anything is right or wrong. What defines your example as wrong?

I am not answering any more questions until you answer mine. If you do not understand the concept of positive and the concept of negative, there is literally no point in even attempting a discussion at this. I am not stepping you through the process like you're five years old.

You're a big boy now. Put the big boy pants on.

 

[Kraznaya]

so you've graduated to solipsism? man, I might just try converting to christianity if the alternative is this garbage

waitaminute

 

[Leoreth]

I think for the most part, you can do far worse than living your life as if there was a man called Jesus, who preached the things he did - yes, some of the things in the Bible are hideously outdated, the product of their time or of their authors, but the overall message of compassion, humility and striving to make the world a better place for others is a very sound one. The beauty of that of course is that you don't have to believe in God, or the afterlife, or anything like that for it to suit you.

Precisely. I think there are a lot of good things to be found in the bible, but if they are good things, they can stand on their own without any backing from supernatural entities.

 

[Formaldehyde]

ignoring the miraculous, because they're freaking miracles and they pop up in virtually all classical accounts of anything whether they were written by herodotos, polybios, or the authors of the gospels, the bible is an actual source and should be treated as such with proper source analysis, not a collection of made-up stories and myths to ignore in toto

You can't very well ignore the miracles while claiming the rest must be factual. That is completely absurd.

 

[Leoreth]

Uhm, Dachs did say that you should treat it a source, i.e. be sceptical about what it says, but not dismiss it out of hand.

 

[Formaldehyde]

He has stated far more than that in this thread including deliberately mischaracterizing Synsensa's opinions twice. There is no reason to think that other than some historical facts, such as the likely existence of Jesus as a man who lived during that period, that most of the New Testament is any different than the Old Testament in regard to historical accuracy. There are likely some historical events which are likely true, but most of it is probably downright fiction including its essence.

The Bible belongs in the fiction section of any public library. And it isn't very good historical fiction at that because it lacks so much credibility. The fantasy section would likely be the most appropriate.

 

[Save_Ferris]

He has stated far more than that in this thread. There is no reason to think that other than some historical facts, such as the likely existence of Jesus, that most of the New Testament is any different than the Old Testament in regard to historical accuracy. Sure, there are some historical events which are likely true, but most of it is likely downright fiction.

Well, not much of the NT is focused on history.

 

[AdamGM]

I am not answering any more questions until you answer mine. If you do not understand the concept of positive and the concept of negative, there is literally no point in even attempting a discussion at this. I am not stepping you through the process like you're five years old.

You're a big boy now. Put the big boy pants on.

Maybe you should lay off blasting other people's worldviews until you can answer how you personally decide what's right and wrong.

You could also use an attitude adjustment.

 

[Synobun]

Maybe you should lay off blasting other people's worldviews until you can answer how you personally decide what's right and wrong.

You could also use an attitude adjustment.

You're still avoiding the fact that I have been asking you to justify your opinion for three pages now and you constantly step away from it and turn it back against me.

I know it must be hard to find a positive connotation behind baby murder, but I am sure you'll figure something out. Until then, though, I won't respond anymore to anything you have to say unless it's about a completely different subject than this one.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Well, not much of the NT is focused on history.

According to most Christians, it is almost entirely historically accurate.

 

[Save_Ferris]

According to most Christians, it is almost entirely historically accurate.

Yes, but it focuses on the community surrounding Jesus rather than empires and whatnot.

 

[Integral]

According to most Christians, it is almost entirely historically accurate.

Well, most of it isn't even history and hence can't be described in terms of "historical accuracy."

The Gospels and Acts make historical claims, sure. But the letters mostly don't; they make theological and philosophical claims. Revelation is so messed up that I'm not sure what its claims fall under.

 

[GoodGame]

Abstract ideals exist because humans are capable of abstract thought /thread

 

[Formaldehyde]

Well, most of it isn't even history and hence can't be described in terms of "historical accuracy."

The Gospels and Acts make historical claims, sure. But the letters mostly don't; they make theological and philosophical claims. Revelation is so messed up that I'm not sure what its claims fall under.

Turning water into wine and bread into fish at specific times and locations is an historical claim. So is being born without a human father and rising from the dead.

 

[History_Buff]

You can't very well ignore the miracles while claiming the rest must be factual. That is completely absurd.

Sure we can. Pretty much any text from that age is filled with half truths and obvious exaggerations.

When some such text says a plucky army of 100,000 gloriously routed one of 500,000, we don't blindly believe them. But it's also a pretty good idea to think that a battle did happen between those parties, probably in the same place at the same time. The stated side almost certainly won, and it probably was a rout. Then you just toss the preposterous numbers out the window and call it a day.

 

[MobBoss]

You can't very well ignore the miracles while claiming the rest must be factual. That is completely absurd.

Formaldehyde. Calling other posters opinions absurd since 2003.

My viewpoint is there is mans morality, and then there is God's morality. While similar, they arent the same. Man's morality is relative, whereas God's is unchanging.

 

[Angst]

Morality is an abstract human construct, and therefore technically "doesn't exist".

However, the vague sense of presence it has has nothing to do with God, but everything to do with humanity.