Muslim anger grows at Pope speech

[ironduck]

Should be interesting to see if the pope himself is going to come out with a public excuse now. After all, the vatican was very supportive of the muslims who demanded an excuse regarding the Muhammad cartoons. Of course, back then it was very convenient for the Vatican as they want a de-facto censorship when it comes to criticizing catholicism. That sword cuts both ways though.

 

[CruddyLeper]

And here we have some pictures showing the calm, tolerant nature of the protests;

My favourite;-

Muslim students burn an effigy of Pope Benedict XVI at a protest rally in Allahabad, India, Friday, Sept. 15, 2006. A growing chorus of Muslim leaders has called on the Pope to apologize for the alleged derogatory comments made by him about Islam. (AP Photo/Rajesh Kumar Singh)

All photoes credited to AP, fair usage. Pity they didn't actually read the speech before making themselves look like donkey fanatics.

 

[ironduck]

Not seeing any women in those demonstrations..

 

[Urederra]

The crusades a reply to the invasion of EUROPE? Do you know what you are saying - you aren't even close.

Of course I know what I am saying. The islamic invasion of EUROPE that started on 711 was a religious one. The cruzades was another religious attack, and attempt to liberate Jerusalem once the islamic invasion in Europe was being properly rejected.

Care to elaborate your answer?

 

[Till]

Could the sign on the far left of the second photograph read "Jihad is a war against terrorism" ?

 

[ironduck]

Yes, I think that's what it says.

 

[El_Machinae]

Is it just me, or do those photos look photoshopped?
I'm incredulous that the lettering is so consistently crisp.

 

[Brighteye]

Hypocricy at its best, by both sides. On the one side we have the Muslims being offended by something the leader of a different religion said (what did they expect him to say - that Islam is the best religion on Earth?). But that's not a new story. Nor it is a new story that, in fact, they can't prove that what Paleologos said 600 years ago isn't true, even today.

What IS a new story is the fact that there is a Pope who is using the words of Constantine Paleologos. THIS is a blasphemy - why did he forget to mention together the words the Byzantines said at the same times for the Pope (for those that don't know, they said "we prefer to wear a Turkish hat than bow in front of the Pope"). And for what purpose - for condemning Holy wars (why I can't remember what the crusades were?). And who were the ones that first occupied the Byzantine empire? Of course, the armies of the Pope, camouflased as Crusaders.

And at what time did he choose to do that? One month before visiting Turkey (i.e. a Muslim country). It seems that he didn't really like to make that visit. A really nice story, indeed!

Are you a conspiracy theorist?
They were crusaders, not people lost as crusaders.

 

[Mott1]

The crusades a reply to the invasion of EUROPE? Do you know what you are saying - you aren't even close.

He knows exactly what he is saying, the question is do you? The Crusades was a response to years of Islamic aggression.
The idea of 'Holy War' was a concept introduced by Muslim to Europe via Muslim occupied Iberia.

Could the sign on the far left of the second photograph read "Jihad is a war against terrorism" ?

Jihad is a war against "western terrorism" which in this case equates to western values. So the sign translates to Jihad is a war against western values.

 

[Irish Caesar]

Frankly, I'm not surprised Muslims don't care for what the Pope has to say.

If they agreed with him about things, they'd be Catholic.

 

[Veritass]

Note that I would ever want to defend the Pope, but...

1. Tolerance is overrated as a virtue. The Pope is not supposed to be "tolerant" of sin, and blaspheming the name of God by killing in His name is a sin and not something to be tolerated. The Pope called this one correctly. (No, don't bother posting information about the crusades.)

2. The problem with being libertarian and a defender of free speech is that you don't have to defend people's right to say decent, loving things. You have to defend their right to say mean, bigoted, and unpopular things. So you end up defending those people that have been labeled Nazis and zealots and hate-mongerers and pornographers (whether they are these things or not).

 

[fishjie]

who cares? everyone is too pc these days. just say it. middle east is a horrible place filled with horrible human beings. they blow up subways in london, crash planes into towers, and suicide bomb the crap out of whatever they can. theyre just sick. they behead good people, not just whites, even south koreans, and other people who are just there trying to help, and then video tape it and broadcast it. the pope went way too easy on them imo. he should have been harsher. a couple key comments about nuking those bedouin camel warriors and commiting mass genocide to win the war on terror would have been more appropiate.

now dont get me wrong, obviously israel and usa have done messed up things, but in the end, i'd rather see israel annihilate the rest of the middle east, then have the middle east annihilate israel. cause guess who they'd come after once they've slaughtered israel? its pretty clear to me the middle east would love to see us all dead. so i for one, return that sentiment.

 

[Truronian]

who cares? everyone is too pc these days. just say it. middle east is a horrible place filled with horrible human beings. they blow up subways in london, crash planes into towers, and suicide bomb the crap out of whatever they can. theyre just sick. they behead good people, not just whites, even south koreans, and other people who are just there trying to help, and then video tape it and broadcast it. the pope went way too easy on them imo. he should have been harsher. a couple key comments about nuking those bedouin camel warriors and commiting mass genocide to win the war on terror would have been more appropiate.

now dont get me wrong, obviously israel and usa have done messed up things, but in the end, i'd rather see israel annihilate the rest of the middle east, then have the middle east annihilate israel. cause guess who they'd come after once they've slaughtered israel? its pretty clear to me the middle east would love to see us all dead. so i for one, return that sentiment.

In what way is it clear to you that everyone in the middle East wants "us" dead? If you truly believe this then your just as bad as the fundementalist nutjobs who fling bombs at "us" because "we" are all evil, immoral infidels.

 

[fishjie]

in what way? In the way that they cheer and dance over 9/11, in the way that they support terrorists, in the way that they video tape gruesome executions, in the way they view osama bin laden as a hero, in the way their leaders constantly espouse hatred of westerners and encourage terrorism, in the way they have MASSIVE RIOTS and call for DEATH because of some freaking cartoon of their prophet.

you can be PC all you want, but if you think that the fanatics are a "minority", instead of a majority, be my guest and travel down to the middle east and prove me wrong. i would love for there to be peace in the middle east, but when governments like Hamas say their goal is the destruction of israel (and they are not alone), i know there will never be peace.

 

[Gladi]

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."

Here is the correct quote btw.

 

[Sidhe]

in what way? In the way that they cheer and dance over 9/11, in the way that they support terrorists, in the way that they video tape gruesome executions, in the way they view osama bin laden as a hero, in the way their leaders constantly espouse hatred of westerners and encourage terrorism, in the way they have MASSIVE RIOTS and call for DEATH because of some freaking cartoon of their prophet.

you can be PC all you want, but if you think that the fanatics are a "minority", instead of a majority, be my guest and travel down to the middle east and prove me wrong. i would love for there to be peace in the middle east, but when governments like Hamas say their goal is the destruction of israel (and they are not alone), i know there will never be peace.

You see your media, you see a minority protesting, you assume the whole of the middle east condone this behaviour, you don't see support of terroism waining or anything outside of your envelope.

Seriously you need to research the situation, understand why it exists, and not become a knee jerk reactionary; Truronian is right you are acting in the same way a small minority of fundemetalists act based on a lack of real understanding.

I ask you to humbly to get a more broader view of just who it is you are condemning, there is no such thing as an evil country anywhere, there are minorities everywhere, be it in the US, UK, Germany, these are nutcases shouting loud and getting the media coverage, I ask you not to become one of them because of your lack of knowledge? Because they have a loud enough senseless voice as it is.

 

[Inhalaattori]

I think Pope is speaking the truth. If we look at the history of Islam we see that its history of violence and gruelty. Maybe even more than the history of christians.

I believe buddhism of all religions has been the most loyal to its pacifist teachings.

 

[storealex]

Muslims will always be angry, so I suggest we don't give a damn.

 

[Leatherneck]

OH NO! The muslims are mad (again) ... what's new?! It must really suck to be a member of a religion that is so easily offended and angry all the time. That's what a life without porn and booze will do to you. Sad really, I 'm sick of them and could care less what they think anymore, gripe and whine all the time.

(No offence to the moderate muslims out there, but if you moderate your not offended anyway.)

 

[.Shane.]

It must really suck to be a member of a religion that is so easily offended and angry all the time. That's what a life without porn and booze will do to you. Sad really, I 'm sick of them and could care less what they think anymore, gripe and whine all the time.

This is equally true of any number of Christian denominations or individuals.