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Claiming misandry doesn't exist is ironically a great example of misandry.
What's really ironical is IMO that even discussing misandry, considered misogynistic by some people.

From the article discussing microaggressions:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...code/201608/misandry-the-invisible-hatred-men
Misandry
I been noticing more and more microaggressions toward men, but I’ve found surprisingly little discussion of this trend. There is a word most people have never heard of: Misandry, meaning hatred of men. It corresponds to misogyny, hatred of women. By noticing microaggressions directed against men, we can uncover a lot of ‘hidden’ misandry. Here are some examples I've come across:
  • “Men only think with their dicks.”
  • “A man wouldn’t understand.”
  • “Men just want a hole to put it in.”
  • “Men can’t hear the word no.” (when rejected sexually)
  • “Men are obsessed with lesbian porn.”
  • “Really? You don’t like sports?”
  • “He’s, you know, ‘artistic.’”
  • “Be a man.”
  • Men are womanizers, man-whores, man-sluts”
I’ve even heard women say things like, “Balls are gross. I hate them.” If a woman overheard men talking about vaginas being dirty and disgusting, she’d surely think this was misogyny and microaggression, but why not the other way around? Many otherwise enlightened people seem to think that putting a man down by shaming him for the transgressions of a few criminal men or for his inadequate physicality is a sort of privilege or entitlement. They are not even aware of their misandry.
Interesting that a few phrases in this thread almost literally repeat examples of microaggressions mentioned in the article.

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Appreciate your contribution to the discussion.
 
Calling people out for being horrible is not "trolling"
 
Which is my point. Feminists talk about wage gaps and cultural problems, you make sulky posts about some slightly negative attitudes.

Your griping is not equivalent and you should pipe down.

Saying that they are not equivalent, which is a straw man because no one said they were, is irrelevant and in making this claim you subtlety admit that it does exist.

There are very few systemic or cultural negative biases against men.

There are many systemic cultural biases against men, which often result in them dying. Power structures typically benefit those who are, ya know, at the top. Most men are not. Let's not pretend that society was build to benefit the coal miner who lost his job 20 years ago, feels worthless because he cannot find a job, has trouble breathing, can't hear, and was raised to suppress his emotions and thus has nothing left but inside but anger. Telling him that his problems don't exist, or mocking them as insignificant, is a pretty horrible thing to do.
 
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Facts don’t care about your feelings, snowflake
 
Whether or not misandry is "real" seems pertinent to a discussion directly about misandry. No? Am I crazy? Should I "pipe down"?
Misogyny is enforcement of sexism, and sexism is about power structures identifying your gender and creating barriers because of your identity. And misogyny's how that's practiced, how you're treated and limited just for being a woman. There's no such thing as a woman-controlled power system that's turning men into second class citizens, and so you can't claim there's any female-to-male equivalent for what men do to women. Men do oppress other men, but there's no such thing as men being oppressed by women.

You can think about Star Wars being an example, which really is perfect. You see Imperials killing Rebels, and you also have Rebels killing Imperials, but do you feel both acts are the same? Do you feel the Rebels destroying the Death Star is equal to the Empire destroying Alderaan? And Star Wars is perfect, because the whole thing is really a metaphor for women's liberation, and that's why you're always seeing key Rebel leaders being women, from Senator Amidala, and then Enfys Nest starting the Rebellion in Solo, and later Princess Leia and Mon Mothma, and now Rey, always women. And that's why you always see the Empire lead by white men, because it's a symbol of the evils of Patriarchy. And it's why Anakin and Luke couldn't really solve the problems, because ultimately it's going to have to be a woman (Rey).

But my point's that you, when you're an oppressed person, can do something like hating men, and yes hate is always wrong (just like killing), but it's not equal to when you're an oppressor doing so to someone under you, am I making sense?

When you talk about "misandry", you're diminishing what misogyny is, especially when you're calling a woman a misandrist when she's talking about inequality issues, you really can barely get any more sexist and misogynistic than that. You can see in this thread how some people are using misogyny to enforce sexism, because a woman's speaking out about sexist and demeaning culture.

I understand you can have difficulty understanding from growing up with only your male perspective, I don't blame you at all for that. All I ask is that you do accept what men have done to women, and please just listen to us without telling someone like myself what it's really like, because when you do so you're controlling the conversation which is a really big form of misogyny women deal with all the time. Part of patriarchy is how you have men demanding to set all the terms and rules and just force women to live by them, and if you're not willing to give up that privilege well then frankly you're contributing to furthering oppression.

When you say "misandry", you're using a word where you're trying to say it's an equivalent to misogyny, and when you do that you're being misogynist. You can criticize actions of freedom fighters, you can call them terrorists, but you can't say they're imposing martial law.
 
There are many systemic cultural biases against men, which often result in them dying. Power structures typically benefit those who are, ya know, at the top. Most men are not. Let's not pretend that society was build to benefit the coal miner who lost his job 20 years ago, feels worthless because he cannot find a job, has trouble breathing, can't hear, and was raised to suppress his emotions and thus has nothing left but inside but anger. Telling him that his problems don't exist, or mocking them as insignificant, is a pretty horrible thing to do.

I would never say that problems of capitalism or class structures don't exist.

I have noticed in a few threads recently that some claim that historically only a few men were benefitted by patriarchy. This is wrong.
 
Portraying class issues with a white male coal miner is sexist.

He’s the most mythicized form of the worker, and the one intentionally used by patriarchal counterrevolutionaries to justify the perpetuation of hierarchy. What’s happened just now in this thread is a great example— “sexism exists! It is a patriarchal power structure!” “Ah you are being classist by talking about sexism. You see, the mythical archetype of the worker is a man, and he’s not very oppressive is he!”
 
Misogyny is enforcement of sexism, and sexism is about power structures identifying your gender and creating barriers because of your identity. And misogyny's how that's practiced, how you're treated and limited just for being a woman. There's no such thing as a woman-controlled power system that's turning men into second class citizens, and so you can't claim there's any female-to-male equivalent for what men do to women. Men do oppress other men, but there's no such thing as men being oppressed by women.

You can think about Star Wars being an example, which really is perfect. You see Imperials killing Rebels, and you also have Rebels killing Imperials, but do you feel both acts are the same? Do you feel the Rebels destroying the Death Star is equal to the Empire destroying Alderaan? And Star Wars is perfect, because the whole thing is really a metaphor for women's liberation, and that's why you're always seeing key Rebel leaders being women, from Senator Amidala, and then Enfys Nest starting the Rebellion in Solo, and later Princess Leia and Mon Mothma, and now Rey, always women. And that's why you always see the Empire lead by white men, because it's a symbol of the evils of Patriarchy. And it's why Anakin and Luke couldn't really solve the problems, because ultimately it's going to have to be a woman (Rey).

But my point's that you, when you're an oppressed person, can do something like hating men, and yes hate is always wrong (just like killing), but it's not equal to when you're an oppressor doing so to someone under you, am I making sense?

When you talk about "misandry", you're diminishing what misogyny is, especially when you're calling a woman a misandrist when she's talking about inequality issues, you really can barely get any more sexist and misogynistic than that. You can see in this thread how some people are using misogyny to enforce sexism, because a woman's speaking out about sexist and demeaning culture.

I understand you can have difficulty understanding from growing up with only your male perspective, I don't blame you at all for that. All I ask is that you do accept what men have done to women, and please just listen to us without telling someone like myself what it's really like, because when you do so you're controlling the conversation which is a really big form of misogyny women deal with all the time. Part of patriarchy is how you have men demanding to set all the terms and rules and just force women to live by them, and if you're not willing to give up that privilege well then frankly you're contributing to furthering oppression.

When you say "misandry", you're using a word where you're trying to say it's an equivalent to misogyny, and when you do that you're being misogynist. You can criticize actions of freedom fighters, you can call them terrorists, but you can't say they're imposing martial law.

You're arguing against something no one is claiming, though. You're not using the accepted definition of sexism. You're adding conditions to the term and then going, "See? It clearly doesn't exist based on my conditions."

Sexism is prejudice against a gender. Beginning and end. It has nothing to do with power structures, creating barriers, none of that. That's systemic sexism. Institutional sexism. Hell, you can make up any term you'd like, but you can't just change the original definition and then claim accuracy. Your -isms mean nothing if they only apply to a specific demographic. It is a fundamental misunderstanding of what the -ism is describing.

Sexism is prejudice against a gender. Murder is forcefully killing another. Rebels are murdering Imperials, Imperials are murdering Rebels. This is a basic truth. At no point in this deliberation is severity, worthiness, or moral equivalency brought into consideration. It's not brought into consideration because it's irrelevant. Nobody is talking about severity. Nobody is talking about who has it worse than who. What is being talked about is that it is simply possible for someone to be prejudiced against men. Nowhere in that statement is it implied or said that misandry has been as historically oppressive as misogyny. Nowhere in that statement is it implied or said that women should listen to men, that women are secondary to men, that men have it worse than women, none of that. Literally none. You're making things up and then insulting people when they say "no".

And frankly, you're being amazingly disrespectful and condescending in your reply. But that's just my male perspective talking, right? My inherent misogyny? It's evident that me saying it's possible to be prejudiced against men is a clear denial of women being oppressed. I have been caught in this ultimate ruse. I'm so very fortunate that you understand that I have difficulty understanding these things and that you don't blame me. It's a breath of fresh air to interact with someone so accommodating to my limitations. :love:
 
No, I'm using the correct meaning of sexism, you're talking about bigotry or prejudice. Sexism, like racism, is about discrimination, and you've got to be in power to do that.

I'm really deeply hurt that you're saying these things to me.
 
That is objectively incorrect.

You can't tell me I'm hurting you when I've said nothing against you as an individual while you've felt it more than acceptable to call me a misogynist and imply that I have cognitive limitations because I disagree with you.
 
So now you're telling me what I'm allowed to feel? Don't you see what you're doing?

And no, I'm not incorrect. You're doing a classic thing where you're dictating meanings of words to be something you prefer, because you're uncomfortable addressing what sexism really is, which is male control over women, and how misogyny is enforcement of such control. You're controlling the conversation to declare me wrong. Please try to understand how you're making me feel and what you're doing to me, especially sine I like you so much. I feel especially hurt (yes, I'm afraid to admit I have cried because of what I've been reading here)

And I never, ever said you have cognitive limitations. I said because you only have your own experiences to draw from, you won't understand what my experiences are like unless you listen to me.
 
Which is my point. Feminists talk about wage gaps and cultural problems, you make sulky posts about some slightly negative attitudes.

Your griping is not equivalent and you should pipe down.

Have you just wandered in from some alternate dimension or something? This isn't what happened in this thread, or what was discussed in this thread. Pipe off back to dimension X.

(For the record, telling people they are hateful people if they don't adopt your own worldview ranks a little above a "slightly negative attitude" in my book. It's about the worst attitude you can have.)
 
You're doing a classic thing where you're dictating meanings of words to be something you prefer, because you're uncomfortable addressing what sexism really is
The definition used by Synsensa is a commonly accepted one:

(From wiki)
Sexism is prejudice or discrimination based on a person's sex or gender.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexism

Power structures, wage gaps etc., are forms of gender discrimination, while sexism is more general term.
 
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