Myth01- Training Day- Regent
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Northen Wolf
Young Hunter
new cities?
Took picture of Spain.
My plan is land in Egypt, create 2 stacks, and a settler spear/MI combo.
Stacks of at least 10 cav's (15 should be save). Place them on the border.
From there they can attack Toledo and Sevile in 1 turn, and keep those. Next turn move most of the stacks to the second dot's.
The southern stack will attack Madrid on the 3rd turn. If there are units left we can also take Valencia. The northern stack will be used as backup to take Madrid (but that is probably not necesary). Then the northern stack will take Barcelona.
If war goes well, we can move the stack that took Madrid towards Murcia on turn 4, and the stack from Barcelona towards Santiago.
It's important to first settle the city on the red dot, stealing the spices from Egypt, if we take the cities first the borders of Memphis will expand and we can't steal the spices anymore. If we just move a settler to the dot, Spain probably won't mind. Next turn settle, move 2 spears or so in it and attack Toledo and Seville. The map is recent so our new city will be save at least during the first turn.
I also pointed to the Iro's saltpeter and iron, which are very close to the Spanish border, easy tagets for our army, or bring 2 explorers, the can reach both resources in 1 turn and pillage them both. We could also bring some more settlers to to claim more land.
Could also attack iro cities on our continent with riders now to get golden age. Get riders/cav's quicker and go to war in 15-20 turns or so. But don't think we should do that. First take Spain,
So we need 10 ships with 4 capacity, is 40 units, 30 cav's, a settler, 2 explorers, 2 spear's/MI and maybe some workers. Aslo we need to get our elites overthere. We could send 2 ships towards the mountain NE of Valencia. Land them after war started.
My plan is land in Egypt, create 2 stacks, and a settler spear/MI combo.
Stacks of at least 10 cav's (15 should be save). Place them on the border.
From there they can attack Toledo and Sevile in 1 turn, and keep those. Next turn move most of the stacks to the second dot's.
The southern stack will attack Madrid on the 3rd turn. If there are units left we can also take Valencia. The northern stack will be used as backup to take Madrid (but that is probably not necesary). Then the northern stack will take Barcelona.
If war goes well, we can move the stack that took Madrid towards Murcia on turn 4, and the stack from Barcelona towards Santiago.
It's important to first settle the city on the red dot, stealing the spices from Egypt, if we take the cities first the borders of Memphis will expand and we can't steal the spices anymore. If we just move a settler to the dot, Spain probably won't mind. Next turn settle, move 2 spears or so in it and attack Toledo and Seville. The map is recent so our new city will be save at least during the first turn.
I also pointed to the Iro's saltpeter and iron, which are very close to the Spanish border, easy tagets for our army, or bring 2 explorers, the can reach both resources in 1 turn and pillage them both. We could also bring some more settlers to to claim more land.
Could also attack iro cities on our continent with riders now to get golden age. Get riders/cav's quicker and go to war in 15-20 turns or so. But don't think we should do that. First take Spain,
So we need 10 ships with 4 capacity, is 40 units, 30 cav's, a settler, 2 explorers, 2 spear's/MI and maybe some workers. Aslo we need to get our elites overthere. We could send 2 ships towards the mountain NE of Valencia. Land them after war started.
Northen Wolf
Young Hunter
Spoiler :
I think this was our attack plan, made by CBob.
I know. I just think mine is better, but ofcourse open for suggestions. We now have a map of the other continent, so we know where the resources are. If we can pillage them during the start of the war, it'll help a lot. Cbob's plan lands us a long way from the resources.
CommandoBob
AbstractArt
I think that nerovats' plan is safer than mine. In his plan, we get our units ashore and placed where we want them before we attack. And we attack on the turn that we declare war. In mine, we have to land and survive a round of counterattacks before we can build our first city. We cannot attack until the second turn of the war.
nerovats's plan looks simpler to execute than mine, also. If we need to, we can build up our forces over several turns before we attack. Mine doesn't really allow for that.
Once Spain is weakened, and we get ready to make war with the Iroquois, we might want to look at my plan again. Perhaps, declare war on Iroquois while the invasion force is at sea, hoping that all the spare units will move into Old Spain and leave the interior empty of mobile defenders.
nerovats's plan looks simpler to execute than mine, also. If we need to, we can build up our forces over several turns before we attack. Mine doesn't really allow for that.
Once Spain is weakened, and we get ready to make war with the Iroquois, we might want to look at my plan again. Perhaps, declare war on Iroquois while the invasion force is at sea, hoping that all the spare units will move into Old Spain and leave the interior empty of mobile defenders.
As adjustment to my plan I'd land our elites near the Spanish city in the north (together with sword army) and the one I mentioned on the mountain.
Also after we take Spain, and start war with Iro's we should sign pacts with Greece and Egypt, against Iro's. That should help a bit.
My plan also get's us closer to Sun Tzu, but I think most cities we take will have rax's anyway.
If you want conquest instead of domination, we shouldn't keep that many cities too.
Also after we take Spain, and start war with Iro's we should sign pacts with Greece and Egypt, against Iro's. That should help a bit.
My plan also get's us closer to Sun Tzu, but I think most cities we take will have rax's anyway.
If you want conquest instead of domination, we shouldn't keep that many cities too.
lurker's comment: I disagree, that's just letting them have the spoils, and you want everything for yourself, remember?
CommandoBob
AbstractArt
By signing Greece and Egypt into MA on Iroquois, we really don't care if they take a couple of cities. If they attack and lose, we win, since they are now weaker. If they attack and win, we still win, since the Iroquois are now weaker and the captured city is now smaller.
We're going to capture/raze all the cities anyway. Once we get rolling, do we really care who happens to own the cities? Nah. Resistance is futile.
We're going to capture/raze all the cities anyway. Once we get rolling, do we really care who happens to own the cities? Nah. Resistance is futile.
CommandoBob
AbstractArt
The save itself is at the bottom of Post #840, last post on the previous page.
Roster:
nerovats - just played
CommandoBob - UP!
I should be able to get some turns in this weekend.
Roster:
nerovats - just played
CommandoBob - UP!
I should be able to get some turns in this weekend.
CommandoBob
AbstractArt
City Builds:
Not with 75 cities
City Production:
Ditto
Military:
04 Settlers
69 Workers
09 Slaves
01 Warrior
04 Archers
06 Spears
07 Swords
18 Horse
03 Galleys
01 Army
05 Riders
08 Mace
03 Trebuchet
Allowed Units: 107
Current Units: 122
Cost per turn: 030 gpt
Resources connected to Beijing
02 Wines
02 Dyes
01 Ivory
02 Silks
02 Saltpeter
02 Iron
04 Horse
Wonder Races
International
Greece - peace
America - peace
Iroquois - peace
Egypt - peace
Long Term Goals
Conquer the world.
Mid Range Goals
Make ready for the Spanish Invasion via Egypt.
Short Range Goals
Keep us at 4-turn research.
Fill in cities up north. Will probably cash-rush some settler builds to do so.
Irrigate/road like crazy in Old Zulu.
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[Start of Preflight]
Cycle Through the Cities
Soduku City hires two more geeks.
In several cities, reassign citizens to work irrigated grass for faster growth.
We are building a lot of Explorers. That is a unit I don't build a lot of.
Physics in 4
107 gold, +995 gpt
30% Tax
70% Science
00% Luxury
Iroquois have a settler pair on a northern tip of our land. We have a settler ready to build next turn, but I think the Iroquois will beat us to the punch on the IBT.
We have two cities ready to build next turn, not counting the one I've just mentioned.
The northern part of Old Zulu should be built ICS style, but we haven't done that so far.
[End of Preflight]
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Hit Enter.
[IBT 1000 AD]
Iroquois found Gandasetaigon on a tundra tile up north, claiming, but not connecting, 2 Dyes.
Tatung rExplorer -> cannon in 10.
Xinjian market -> university in 23.
Palace Expansion; we plant some grass.
1 1010 AD
Workers
Grouping and making and playing with water.
Settlers
Move a settler from Forest onto Hill NE of Zimbabwe;
Iroquois Irritant is founded 2N of Chondote (Iroquois).
Military
I think a Rider is on AutoMove, but I'm not sure.
Hire a geek in Beijing.
In Anyang, hire geek, library -> market in 11.
[IBT]
Iroquois think we have troops inside their borders at Gandasetaigon, but I don't think we do. We agree to move these imaginary troops.
Watery vRider -> vRider in 14.
Nanking vRider -> vRider in 8.
Barbarian Outpost I aqueduct -> market in 34.
2 1020 AD
Hilltop View is built N-NE of Zimbabwe.
Gadfly is built 2SW of Gandasetaigon.
We do have an eHorse next to Gandasetaigon. We send it to Beijing.
We have a vRider that AUTO-MOVED to 1S of Gandasetaigon.
We will disband this offending unit next turn, if we don't go to war with the Iroquois first, and they kill it and save me the trouble.
Desert River hires a geek.
Rush settlers in South Hillsdale and Zimbabwe for 64 and 68 gold.
[IBT]
We get the Boot or Die order from the Iroquois. We Boot out.
Beijing vRider -> vRider in 5.
Zimbabwe settler -> settler in 30.
Canton vRider -> vRider in 6.
Riverside market -> library in 12.
South Hillsdale settler -> settler in 30.
3 1030 AD
Grass City is built 2SE of Intombe.
Disband the errant vRider in Gadfly for 17 shields towards the settler.
Hire a geek in GrapeVille.
Science down to 40%, Physics in 1, +261 gold.
[IBT]
Learn Physics, begin Theory of Gravity, 6 turns at 40%.
Irony aqueduct -> library in 8.
GrapeVille library -> barracks in 4.
4 1040 AD
Science at 70%, ToG in 4, +120 gpt.
Cow City is founded 2W of Great Hills.
Cycle through the cities.
Hire 3 geeks in Grassy Wheaties.
Rush a settler in Fifty City for 8 gold.
Beijing vRider -> cathedral (Newtown's prebuild).
Hire 2 geeks in Isandhlwana.
Spacious Meadows hires 2 geeks.
Sea hires a second geek.
Ibabanago hires 2 geeks.
Nana-Na-Nana hires a geek.
Camp de Grass hires 2 geeks.
Drop Science to 60%, ToG in 4, +160 gpt.
[IBT]
Tsingtao market -> vRider in 12 after firing geek.
West Coast Point rExplorer -> rCaravel in 40.
Grassy Wheaties settler -> settler in 30.
Fifty City settler -> settler in 30.
5 1050 AD
One Horse City built 2E of Fifty City.
Cycle through the cities.
Hire a 3rd geek in Isandhlwana.
[IBT]
Spain is building Magellan's Voyage (Navigation).
6 1060 AD
Middle of Green is founded, 2NE of Fifty City.
[IBT]
Nana-Na-Nana vCaravel -> vCaravel in 40.
Dirt settler -> settler in 30.
Yangchow settler -> settler in 30.
7 1070 AD
Almost Ironic is founded 2NW of Cow City.
NE Yangchow is founded 2NE of Yangchow.
Science to 50%, ToG in 1, +204 gpt.
[IBT]
Spanish settler pair on the north tundra.
We learn Theory of Gravity, start on Magnetism in 4.
GrapeVille barracks -> vRider in 14.
Great Vacation Spot rExplorer -> cannon in 40.
8 1080 AD
Coastal Blues is started NWish of New Canton.
Cycle through the cities.
Beijing cathedral -> Newton's University in 20.
Hire a geek in Black Oak.
Reassign citizens for growth in our outer cities.
[IBT]
Spain builds Zaragoza.
Canton vRider -> vRider in 6.
Bangalore rExporer -> cannon in 40.
ShoreLeave rCaravel -> rCaravel in 40.
Jaipur II rCaravel -> rCaravel in 40.
9 1090 AD
Cycle through the cities.
Great View rExplorer -> rCaravel in 21.
Grassy Wheaties, now size 6, hires 3 geeks.
Fifty City, now size 6, hires 3 geeks.
Mean Green rExplorer -> settler in 11.
[IBT]
We left a unit near Zaragoza and Spain wants us to move it. We agree.
Egypt wants to talk. World Map for World Map? Not now, maybe later.
Barbarian galley attacks one of our Caravels and dies.
Nanking vRider -> VRider in 8.
Domestic Advisor complains about our lack of aqueducts. I ignore the Advisor.
sea rCaravel -> rCaravel in 40.
Tientsin rExplorer -> cannon in 40.
10 1100 AD
Cycle through the cities.
South Hillsdale, now size 6, hires 3 geeks.
Not with 75 cities
City Production:
Ditto
Military:
04 Settlers
69 Workers
09 Slaves
01 Warrior
04 Archers
06 Spears
07 Swords
18 Horse
03 Galleys
01 Army
05 Riders
08 Mace
03 Trebuchet
Allowed Units: 107
Current Units: 122
Cost per turn: 030 gpt
Resources connected to Beijing
02 Wines
02 Dyes
01 Ivory
02 Silks
02 Saltpeter
02 Iron
04 Horse
Wonder Races
None
International
Greece - peace
America - peace
Iroquois - peace
Egypt - peace
Long Term Goals
Conquer the world.
Mid Range Goals
Make ready for the Spanish Invasion via Egypt.
Short Range Goals
Keep us at 4-turn research.
Fill in cities up north. Will probably cash-rush some settler builds to do so.
Irrigate/road like crazy in Old Zulu.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
[Start of Preflight]
Cycle Through the Cities
Soduku City hires two more geeks.
In several cities, reassign citizens to work irrigated grass for faster growth.
We are building a lot of Explorers. That is a unit I don't build a lot of.
Physics in 4
107 gold, +995 gpt
30% Tax
70% Science
00% Luxury
Iroquois have a settler pair on a northern tip of our land. We have a settler ready to build next turn, but I think the Iroquois will beat us to the punch on the IBT.
We have two cities ready to build next turn, not counting the one I've just mentioned.
The northern part of Old Zulu should be built ICS style, but we haven't done that so far.
[End of Preflight]
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hit Enter.
[IBT 1000 AD]
Iroquois found Gandasetaigon on a tundra tile up north, claiming, but not connecting, 2 Dyes.
Tatung rExplorer -> cannon in 10.
Xinjian market -> university in 23.
Palace Expansion; we plant some grass.
1 1010 AD
Workers
Grouping and making and playing with water.
Settlers
Move a settler from Forest onto Hill NE of Zimbabwe;
Iroquois Irritant is founded 2N of Chondote (Iroquois).
Military
I think a Rider is on AutoMove, but I'm not sure.
Hire a geek in Beijing.
In Anyang, hire geek, library -> market in 11.
Iroquois think we have troops inside their borders at Gandasetaigon, but I don't think we do. We agree to move these imaginary troops.
Watery vRider -> vRider in 14.
Nanking vRider -> vRider in 8.
Barbarian Outpost I aqueduct -> market in 34.
2 1020 AD
Hilltop View is built N-NE of Zimbabwe.
Gadfly is built 2SW of Gandasetaigon.
We do have an eHorse next to Gandasetaigon. We send it to Beijing.
We have a vRider that AUTO-MOVED to 1S of Gandasetaigon.
We will disband this offending unit next turn, if we don't go to war with the Iroquois first, and they kill it and save me the trouble.
Desert River hires a geek.
Rush settlers in South Hillsdale and Zimbabwe for 64 and 68 gold.
We get the Boot or Die order from the Iroquois. We Boot out.
Beijing vRider -> vRider in 5.
Zimbabwe settler -> settler in 30.
Canton vRider -> vRider in 6.
Riverside market -> library in 12.
South Hillsdale settler -> settler in 30.
3 1030 AD
Grass City is built 2SE of Intombe.
Disband the errant vRider in Gadfly for 17 shields towards the settler.
Hire a geek in GrapeVille.
Science down to 40%, Physics in 1, +261 gold.
Learn Physics, begin Theory of Gravity, 6 turns at 40%.
Irony aqueduct -> library in 8.
GrapeVille library -> barracks in 4.
4 1040 AD
Science at 70%, ToG in 4, +120 gpt.
Cow City is founded 2W of Great Hills.
Cycle through the cities.
Hire 3 geeks in Grassy Wheaties.
Rush a settler in Fifty City for 8 gold.
Beijing vRider -> cathedral (Newtown's prebuild).
Hire 2 geeks in Isandhlwana.
Spacious Meadows hires 2 geeks.
Sea hires a second geek.
Ibabanago hires 2 geeks.
Nana-Na-Nana hires a geek.
Camp de Grass hires 2 geeks.
Drop Science to 60%, ToG in 4, +160 gpt.
Tsingtao market -> vRider in 12 after firing geek.
West Coast Point rExplorer -> rCaravel in 40.
Grassy Wheaties settler -> settler in 30.
Fifty City settler -> settler in 30.
5 1050 AD
One Horse City built 2E of Fifty City.
Cycle through the cities.
Hire a 3rd geek in Isandhlwana.
Spain is building Magellan's Voyage (Navigation).
6 1060 AD
Middle of Green is founded, 2NE of Fifty City.
Nana-Na-Nana vCaravel -> vCaravel in 40.
Dirt settler -> settler in 30.
Yangchow settler -> settler in 30.
7 1070 AD
Almost Ironic is founded 2NW of Cow City.
NE Yangchow is founded 2NE of Yangchow.
Science to 50%, ToG in 1, +204 gpt.
Spanish settler pair on the north tundra.
We learn Theory of Gravity, start on Magnetism in 4.
GrapeVille barracks -> vRider in 14.
Great Vacation Spot rExplorer -> cannon in 40.
8 1080 AD
Coastal Blues is started NWish of New Canton.
Cycle through the cities.
Beijing cathedral -> Newton's University in 20.
Hire a geek in Black Oak.
Reassign citizens for growth in our outer cities.
Spain builds Zaragoza.
Canton vRider -> vRider in 6.
Bangalore rExporer -> cannon in 40.
ShoreLeave rCaravel -> rCaravel in 40.
Jaipur II rCaravel -> rCaravel in 40.
9 1090 AD
Cycle through the cities.
Great View rExplorer -> rCaravel in 21.
Grassy Wheaties, now size 6, hires 3 geeks.
Fifty City, now size 6, hires 3 geeks.
Mean Green rExplorer -> settler in 11.
We left a unit near Zaragoza and Spain wants us to move it. We agree.
Egypt wants to talk. World Map for World Map? Not now, maybe later.
Barbarian galley attacks one of our Caravels and dies.
Nanking vRider -> VRider in 8.
Domestic Advisor complains about our lack of aqueducts. I ignore the Advisor.
sea rCaravel -> rCaravel in 40.
Tientsin rExplorer -> cannon in 40.
10 1100 AD
Cycle through the cities.
South Hillsdale, now size 6, hires 3 geeks.
CommandoBob
AbstractArt
Military:
00 Settlers
69 Workers
09 Slaves
05 Explorers (+5)
01 Warrior
04 Archers
06 Spears
07 Swords
18 Horse
03 Galleys
04 Caravel (+4)
01 Army
09 Riders (+4)
08 Mace
Allowed Units: 125 (+18)
Current Units: 131 (+9)
Cost per turn: 012 gpt (-18)
Resources connected to Beijing
02 Wines
02 Dyes
01 Ivory
02 Silks
02 Saltpeter
02 Iron
05 Horse (+1)
Magnetism in 2
1680 gold, +201 gpt
Republic
50% tax
50% science
00% luxury
Big Builds:
Newton's University in 18 in Beijing.
Workers
Where possible I tried to group workers into groups of 2 (road in one turn) or 3 (irrigate in one turn). That wasn't always possible.
In the core I have worker roading mountains; some are mining those mountains, also.
I fortified Riders and Explorers around Beijing.
Caravels I have sent to West Coast Point, since that looks like our closest city to Egypt.
We are connecting a third Saltpeter on a mountian NE of Great Hills in Old Zulu. Probably overkill, but let's get it while we can.
Science
After Magnetism, all we need is Banking to enter the next age. Iroquois have a monopoly on that tech. Maybe in two turns someone will become just as smart and drive down the price.
We could take a short detour to learn Military Tradition while we wait for another AI to learn Banking.
Once in the Industrial Age I think we should learn Steam Power, but that is hardly a surprise. Everybody loves Rails!
Trading
We could very easily get all the world's gold. I don't know that we want to do that. We could sell Spain something for GPT and keep her weak, but that means delaying our Spanish Offense another 20 turns. Which might be okay. It would take our current forces almost 10 turns to get ready to invade Spain via Egypt.
Units
We have no Muskets.
We had a lot of Explorer builds in place; I changed some but not many.
AI Activity
Both Spain and Iroquois bravely planted tundra cities in the far north of Old Zulu. They might someday grow to size 2 or maybe even 3.
Spain is building Magellan's Voyage in Madrid. That is the only wonder under construction right now, except for our build of Newton's University in Beijing.
00 Settlers
69 Workers
09 Slaves
05 Explorers (+5)
01 Warrior
04 Archers
06 Spears
07 Swords
18 Horse
03 Galleys
04 Caravel (+4)
01 Army
09 Riders (+4)
08 Mace
Allowed Units: 125 (+18)
Current Units: 131 (+9)
Cost per turn: 012 gpt (-18)
Resources connected to Beijing
02 Wines
02 Dyes
01 Ivory
02 Silks
02 Saltpeter
02 Iron
05 Horse (+1)
Magnetism in 2
1680 gold, +201 gpt
Republic
50% tax
50% science
00% luxury
Big Builds:
Newton's University in 18 in Beijing.
Workers
Where possible I tried to group workers into groups of 2 (road in one turn) or 3 (irrigate in one turn). That wasn't always possible.
In the core I have worker roading mountains; some are mining those mountains, also.
I fortified Riders and Explorers around Beijing.
Caravels I have sent to West Coast Point, since that looks like our closest city to Egypt.
We are connecting a third Saltpeter on a mountian NE of Great Hills in Old Zulu. Probably overkill, but let's get it while we can.
Science
After Magnetism, all we need is Banking to enter the next age. Iroquois have a monopoly on that tech. Maybe in two turns someone will become just as smart and drive down the price.
We could take a short detour to learn Military Tradition while we wait for another AI to learn Banking.
Once in the Industrial Age I think we should learn Steam Power, but that is hardly a surprise. Everybody loves Rails!
Trading
We could very easily get all the world's gold. I don't know that we want to do that. We could sell Spain something for GPT and keep her weak, but that means delaying our Spanish Offense another 20 turns. Which might be okay. It would take our current forces almost 10 turns to get ready to invade Spain via Egypt.
Units
We have no Muskets.
We had a lot of Explorer builds in place; I changed some but not many.
AI Activity
Both Spain and Iroquois bravely planted tundra cities in the far north of Old Zulu. They might someday grow to size 2 or maybe even 3.
Spain is building Magellan's Voyage in Madrid. That is the only wonder under construction right now, except for our build of Newton's University in Beijing.
Northen Wolf
Young Hunter
Can we sell something for gpt, even if trade rep is broken?
Why explorers????
Why explorers????
Optional
Deity
Kibitzer: For sure: you might have lost your credit, but you can still accept the AI's credit.
In some cases you can even still buy things for gpt/lux with a broken rep:
* if it's tied in with a peace treaty (the AI in question feels your knife on its throat);
* if you're dealing with a civ that's at war with the civ you cheated on; the AI is 'blind' for anything you've done to their enemies.
darski
Regent in Training
Explorers are expendable pillage machines. You can undo strategic and bonus resources so your opponent is really in trouble at home and on the front.
Optional
Deity
Hum, I haven't looked at the save here, so I don't know the particular situation, but if you're strong enough to pillage, which means your enemy isn't strong enough to take out your pillagers, then you're usually strong enough to take the enemy's terrain, and you don't want to pillage what you're just about to take.
CommandoBob
AbstractArt
Right now we are at peace, getting ready to make war. Our forces are still local. No ships are loaded up with military units.
By the victory screen, we are the most powerful civ; Spain is the most cultured.
By the victory screen, we are the most powerful civ; Spain is the most cultured.
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