Nationalized Healthcare? Not In My Back Yard!

JohnRM

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I was talking to someone the other night about nationalized healthcare in the United States and he/she was kind enough to remind me how much of an evil, greedy republican that I am and how I constantly go on about druggies, smokers, and fat people, but ignore those healthy, average citizens and focus on that minority that don't take care of themselves. I am apparently such a jerk cause I will doom the overwhelming majority of Americans who do take care of themselves for the sake of a small minority who do not.

Yea! Right!

The United States of Obese America
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2007/fit.nation/obesity.map/
http://www.dailynexus.com/article.php?a=3940

It seems that almost a quarter of all American citizens are now obese, according to the CNN Article.

The second link speaks of a 1999 report that says 61 percent of Americans are overweight and 26 percent were obese.

About 25 percent of Americans smoke cigarettes or cigars.

Anywhere from 6 - 15 percent of Americans use some form of illegal drugs or other non-alcoholic substance. The most reliable source that I have says 8.3 percent.

An estimated 6.7 percent of Americans are alcoholics.

This means that anywhere from 25 - 66 percent of Americans have habits that are seriously detrimental to their own health. The likely range is between 40 - 50 percent, because some of these habits will overlap each other in the same person. This is, of course, completely ignoring the fact that 61 percent of Americans are apparently overweight. Going by weight alone, 61 - 86 percent of Americans are not particularly mindful of their health.

Who wants to be the first to line up to pay the cost of medical care for these medical delinquents? Who wants to be the first pay for the neglect that these people show towards their own health? Who wants a tax hike of 20 percent to pay for it all? I am telling you, that as things progress, especially with obesity, these issues are going to start taking a heavy toll on the national health service and the system will crumble.

You WILL NOT receive prompt and quality care, because the resources simply won't be there. That 12 hours that you complained about waiting for a Doctor and Nurse to examine and cast up your broken leg is now going to take much longer and the follow-up care is going to be almost non-existent. When you get cancer, your survival rate will drop like a rock, as the statistics in Europe show. Why? Because, like in the UK, they don't do certain pre-screening tests, like tests for Prostate Cancer? Why not? It isn't cost effective. Only a small percentage of tests come back positive. It is more cost effective to let people come to them with symptoms.

Choosing your doctor? Forget about it. Your appointment is inconvenient for you? You need to reschedule? Yeah, okay, they have another appointment in about four months. You'll feel better by then, I assure you, either cause you're dead or recovered. Either way, works for them.

So, who wants to be the first to line up for this?
 
No, thank you. I'll pay my $141 a month for my PPO and get in when I need and be assured quality care is there for me.
 
A voucher system* with no medicare-medicade would be ideal I think.


*Just like the one we will never get for schools :(
 
Its your job as a tax payer to fund a government that takes care of its people cradle to grave. How dare your infer that people should be responsible for their own actions and pay for their own mistakes. Its all your responsibility not theirs. They should be cared for because they don't care for them selves. You are cold hearted and ruthless. You big meany.
 
Its your job as a tax payer to fund a government that takes care of its people cradle to grave. How dare your infer that people should be responsible for their own actions and pay for their own mistakes. Its all your responsibility not theirs. They should be cared for because they don't care for them selves. You are cold hearted and ruthless. You big meany.

You can't count out the people born with a horrible disease thou.
 
I'm not seeing the connection you're making here.

How could you not? If people are not taking care of themselves then when there is a national health service, they will require more healthcare per capita than healthy individuals, because they are in worse shape. The smokers, fatties, and druggies can opt to be healthier by not doing those things, but they won't. They'll continue to do it and suck up a lot of health services to care for them as they fall apart. The rest of us will end up paying for it, because we are healthy and don't require as much care.
 
<snip Great argument against National Healthcare>

So, who wants to be the first to line up for this?

"Not I" says the brown cow.

EDIT: I'll throw this quote in there, too, by our good friend Barry Goldwater: "If the government is big enough to give you everything you want, it is big enough to take away everything you have."
 
You can't count out the people born with a horrible disease thou.

Why not? They can work too can't they? They can provide for them selves right? Why should any ones else do their job for them other then family?
 
Its your job as a tax payer to fund a government that takes care of its people cradle to grave. How dare your infer that people should be responsible for their own actions and pay for their own mistakes. Its all your responsibility not theirs. They should be cared for because they don't care for them selves. You are cold hearted and ruthless. You big meany.

Oh, I know. I've been told this many times. It has sunk in. I am greedy bastard, because I don't want to pay the medical bills for some homeless crackhead, or some lazy fat body that eats McDonald's five times a week, or some 3 pack a day lunger.
 
Oh, I know. I've been told this many times. It has sunk in. I am greedy bastard, because I don't want to pay the medical bills for some homeless crackhead, or some lazy fat body that eats McDonald's five times a week, or some 3 pack a day lunger.

Yeah, because all people overweight just worsen then condition. None of them make any attempts to be healthier.
 
Costing less for who, Masquerouge? Does the government spend more per capita in the USA, or are you including monies spent by private citizens directly in that as well?
 
So, John, how do you explain nationalized healthcare is working pretty well in, say, the UK or France? Is it only because Brits are healthier?

I've actually heard that the national health services of Europe are threatened with collapse due to pressures from these very same issues, with special attention paid to obesity with regard to the UK. However, none of this negates the fact that the healthy, well-disciplined people of Europe are footing the bill for those who don't take care of themselves.

As far as I am concerned, this is an effort, however unintended, to destroy natural selection and rebuke Darwin's Theory of Evolution. Let these people die if they don't want to care for themselves or pay for their own medical care.
 
Oh, and also, how do you explain nationalized healthcare in the UK and France is costing less to the country than private healthcare in America?

Less quality usually translates to lower costs.
 
Costing less for who, Masquerouge? Does the government spend more per capita in the USA, or are you including monies spent by private citizens directly in that as well?

Good question. I think the numbers I have include both, but please check and tell me if I'm wrong:

http://www.kff.org/insurance/snapshot/chcm010307oth.cfm
Total Health Expenditures Per Capita, U.S. and Selected Countries, 2003

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Total health expenditure as % of GDP
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