NES2 VIb - Return of the Chaos.

[North King]

No, Iggy did.

True, true, but I saved them from your evil rebellion. Though Storm [censored] those plans, and Panda wasn't willing to side with me over a single city.

 

[LittleBoots]

Look at the Greco-Persian wars (499 - 448 BC) sometime. I doodle Marathon on every test I get in memoriam. Almost every historical Great Captain faced impossible odds (with the exception, perhaps, of Sam Grant). I'm not going to compare myself to any of these eminences, but people remember the wars that were won by the underdog. And the big wars.

Yes, I know that I don't have much chance of winning, as I myself have noted many times. That's life.

More than half my classes are on ancient Greece. I know a thing or two about Marathon and Thermopylae (of course naming the two most famous). I realize the Greeks fought off large numbers. But you are not facing hordes of peasants being whipped from behind to continue fighting. You are facing forces with much better training, equipment, morale, and purpose than the Greeks fought. Yes, there are wars won by underdogs, a great number of them. Not many in these circumstances though.

 

[Swissempire]

Krimzon. South Africa is very very Portuguese, and semi-militant. Their King was just overthrown by revolutionary Fascists who set up Government for around a month before they were betrayed by France who marched in and betrayed the leaders and beheaded them. Its been a year...........

 

[KrimzonStriker]

That's why it's PERFECT!!! Less loyal people! I just want my own country, is that so wrong...?

 

[Thlayli]

That's why it's PERFECT!!! Less loyal people! I just want my own country, is that so wrong...?

It is if you use Size Six font to declare your intentions.

 

[Kentharu]

yes sulia is dead

 

[KrimzonStriker]

It is if you use Size Six font to declare your intentions.

You guys are seriously no fun.

 

[Lord_Iggy]

But we're the only ones (other than the canucks and frontiere, who wouldn't exist were it not for me) who have succeeded so far.

Cleric and I both had rebel movements going in Canada, though admittedly your distracting of Frances North American forces allowed Canada to be far larger than originally envisioned.

Like you're really going to convince me by dissing the Ottomans, which I ran at the time.

NK's memory's going!!!

No, I led the Ottomans that turn.

I feel inspired to write a story... but I feel obligated to update... and I have to leave soon for a while.

Nice update das! I liked Swiss' secion.

 

[Kentharu]

iggy, not updating, your posting in someone elses thread, DON'T MAKE ME COME AFTER YOU!!

 

[Reno]

I had a lot of troops there. AND Italy is fairly loyal. As is most of my Empire. The rebels took advantage of the situation, yet did not enjoy huge support. My confidence and culture IS very high, after all, and I have worked VERY hard to make sure that it stays together (my empire, that is.)

OOC: No major support? That's quite contrary to what das said to me about my chances and population support for a rebellion in Italy, Spain and Portugal.

 

[Insane_Panda]

I said did not enjoy HUGE support. You had support, certaintly, but that was mostly due to the recent situations, and less so due to nationalistic fervor, which was, for the most part, wiped out until it was revived during the rebellions and deteriorating war-time situation (reference the earlier updates, nationalism is far, far, far weaker than any egalitist insurgencies). When you rebelled, the only reason you succeeded was lack of strong presence in the region, there were still large amounts of Italians, Spanish, and Portugese who supported or had supported the Empire (Spanish and Portugese less so) but could not actively fight or were indifferent.

I think you have, as can be clearly shown by your destruction in the update, underestimated the power of the Empire whilst overestimated yours.

and the rebels as very weak in any case

 

[Lord_Iggy]

The second Canadian federal election was, in retrospect, an inevitability. After the young country began to settle, the coalition between the reigning People's Party and the Liberty Party began to strain. The Liberty party believed that Canadian politics should be more centrist and right-wing, while Van der Laaden and his followers continued to create publicly-owned industries and push socialist reforms.

In December of 1786, these conflicts came to a head. The People's Party was about to pass legislation that would open up a vast new region of virgin prairie to immigration and agriculture, when the Liberty Party withdrew its support, claiming that foreign-born Van der Laaden was acting for the advantage of displaced foreigners while ignoring hardworking locals. Knowing the Prime Minister's penchance for humanitarianism, this claim may not be unfounded.

Nonetheless, the loss of confidence forced an election. The new Liberty leader, Brian Davis, campaigned on a plan of new business, greater freedom for workers, and lower taxation. He gained a support base among the affluent and middle class, and many newly-immigrated business owners. He would have gained more support amongst the francophone population had it not been for his party's history, an English liberation movement with many claims against it of francophobia and racism.

The Freedom Party (Formerly Free Canada Party), still led by Michael Horn, continued its earlier middle of the road policies, which would later turn out to be very detrimental. In a heated vote between center-right and left, many Freedom voters strategically voted for one of the other two parties, for the 'lesser of two evils'. The majority of the strategic voters switched to the more idealogically similar People's Party.

Van der Laaden's People's Party was an obvious favourite leading up to the election. He promised a continuation of party policy, acting for the little people, the common workers, farmers and labourers. A history of social and economic success from these policies was a boon to Van der Laaden's campaign.

On January 6th, votes were cast...

To be continued...

 

[Swissempire]

I'm sure the people are wonder what socialist reforms are

HAVE A CAKRIST PARTY NOW!

 

[LittleBoots]

And then Finland invaded Canada and forced their political parties to change their names so that confused Finns interested in Canadian Politics (the number one concentration at Turku University) would do better on their midterm papers. Professor Saastamoinen of the Canadian Studies department had this to say: "We liked the name Free Canada Party, but this Freedom Party business alongside the Liberty Party, just mucks things up. I mean, three parties is a little excessive in the first place, but to each his own..."

Saastamoinen's last statement is believed to reflect the fact that Finland has recently instituted a One Party policy for their government, which is a step up from the No Party policy of previous years.

In other news, Iggy's Update: The Search Continues...

(p sorry, I just finished a ten page paper on post-solonic athenian government and the autocracy of pisistratus, as well as a 5 page paper on athenian homicide law. My brain has decided to rebel. I take no responsibility for any of this.))

 

[Reno]

I think you have, as can be clearly shown by your destruction in the update, underestimated the power of the Empire whilst overestimated yours.

My only goal really was to make you move forces to destroy me. I never expected to survive, only to distract you. I never overestimated anything or underestimated for that matter. My goals were achieved the minute you decided to send any troops to stop me.

 

[Dachs]

I realize the Greeks fought off large numbers. But you are not facing hordes of peasants being whipped from behind to continue fighting. You are facing forces with much better training, equipment, morale, and purpose than the Greeks fought.

Persia didn't become a - the - superpower by using slaves to fight. Their army was actually not too technically deficient compared to the Greeks (indeed, if the Athenian/Plataean force at Marathon hadn't marched across the plain so quickly, the Persian cavalry would have made more of a difference and perhaps been able to cause a Persian victory). Their armies included Greek mercenaries almost continually, and they proved their ability to defeat a phalanx formation in the two battles of the Lydian campaign, Pteria and Thymbra, and the battles against the Ionian rebels in the earlier part of the 490s.

That wasn't the point, anyway. The point that I was trying to make was that my survival is not within the realm of impossibility. This really isn't the place to discuss all of this, though, and I'd be more than happy to carry this on via PM.

To keep this on-topic:
To: Kandid Persian Shahdom
From: Byzantine Empire

We wish to know if you intend to declare war on us, honoring your treaty with the French.

 

[andis-1]

To: Byzantine empire
From: Kandid Persian Shahdom

Unfortunately, your choice of action does not leave us any other options than to declare war upon you.

 

[Luckymoose]

Excuse me while I clean out my ears. You're losing.

Perhaps. But I have in no way lost. There is still a very high chance of me coming out of this in a decent state. Like I said.Until I get peace terms that are more acceptable I will not settle for peace.

Not like I'm the oen marching armies across Europe or anything.

(or betraying anyone,alot of that going on here)

 

[Insane_Panda]

Fine. Ruin your nation like you ruined all the others you've played.

My only goal really was to make you move forces to destroy me. I never expected to survive, only to distract you. I never overestimated anything or underestimated for that matter. My goals were achieved the minute you decided to send any troops to stop me.

Why, how IC of you. I really find all this "OMG SUPERPOWAH" stuff BS.

 

[Oruc]

Fine. Ruin your nation like you ruined all the others you've played.



Why, how IC of you. I really find all this "OMG SUPERPOWAH" stuff BS.

Dont remember you complaining when it happened to the Federated Kingdoms