Never Before Seen Civs - Elimination Game

[Homusubi]

This isn't a vote, but the last two voters used the wrong numbers. Taking the last few votes into account, this is the current real table... and the Hebrews are in trouble:

Armenians 14
Ashanti 24
Burmese 25
Hebrews 4
Nubians 15
Phoenicians 25
Swahili/Kilwa 21
Tibetans 24
Vietnamese 19
Zimbabweans 11

 

[Orange1861]

Armenians 14
Ashanti 24
Burmese 25
Hebrews 1 (4 - 3) Least interesting in this list.
Nubians 15
Phoenicians 26 (25 + 1) These guys gotta to win!
Swahili/Kilwa 21
Tibetans 24
Vietnamese 19
Zimbabweans 11

 

[Liufeng]

Armenians 14 + 1 = 15 It's european so it should be eliminated ? Armenia is more asian or at least near eastern than european ! And it's one impressive ancient civ that managed to survive up to this date ! It deserves to be in the game, far more than some actual playable civs (those who know me probably know what I'm talking about)
Ashanti 24
Burmese 25
Hebrews 1 - 3 = -2 Eliminated Sorry, but among those that remain, I'm really not fond on them
Nubians 15
Phoenicians 26
Swahili/Kilwa 21
Tibetans 24
Vietnamese 19
Zimbabweans 11

 

[Xandinho]

Armenians 15
Ashanti 24
Burmese 25
Nubians 15
Phoenicians 26
Swahili/Kilwa 21 - 3 = 18 The choices were narrow and difficult. So I voted in that one that does not interest me so much in this list compared to the other options.
Tibetans 24
Vietnamese 19 + 1 = 20 With the Hebrews eliminated, I have been divided between Ashanti and Vietnam, since I have already cast a vote for Ashanti, I feel inclined towards Vietnam. Since it's a civ that interests me as much as the african civ
Zimbabweans 11.

 

[The Kingmaker]

Armenians 15
Ashanti 24
Burmese 25
Nubians 15+1=16
Phoenicians 26
Swahili/Kilwa 18
Tibetans 24
Vietnamese 20
Zimbabweans 11-3=8

Feeling kind of lost now that the Hebrews are gone. Bolstering Nubia because we have plenty of material to use to implement them, while Zimbabwe would be more challenging.

 

[DaPikaGTM]

Armenians 15+1=16 I've mentioned my reasons for them before.
Ashanti 24
Burmese 25
Nubians 16
Phoenicians 26
Swahili/Kilwa 18
Tibetans 24
Vietnamese 20
Zimbabweans 8-3=5 Interests me the least out of the remaining choices.

 

[Xefjord]

Armenians 16
Ashanti 24
Burmese 25
Nubians 16-3=13 Kind of inbetween Egypt and Ethiopa (The latter I think will be added). I would rather see an african civ somewhere else
Phoenicians 26
Swahili/Kilwa 18
Tibetans 24
Vietnamese 20+1=21 I really like the cultures of the Sinosphere and think that Vietnam has a beautiful & underrated history and culture. I think its a pick that is well known enough for a less dedicated history nut to know (I don't think the average person knows what a Phoenician or Nubian is)
Zimbabweans 5

 

[Morningcalm]

Amrunril downvoted both Ashanti (27-3 - 24) and Nubians (17-3) on the earlier page. You can only downvote one civ right?

Armenians 16 - 3 = 13 (Least interesting of the remaining. Perhaps because of its stronger European ties. Armenia may be in the Middle East in a manner similar to Turkey or other frontier states, but Armenia's historical ties to Europe are undeniable and long-set. Also, I have not seen great arguments recently in this thread as to why Armenian history/leaders etc are interesting. Instead, all conversation has turned on acting with hostility to me after I stated that as a matter of fact Armenia is European. This also encourages me to downvote this civ, though my reasons are mainly historical (As I mentioned earlier, Turkey is also European and Asian both, which is why between Ottomans and almost any African/Southeast Asian civ I would choose the African/Southeast Asian civ every time).
Ashanti 24 + 1 =25 (Yay for the Golden Stool! One of the most interesting African civs ever (not just because they used gunpowder armaments, by the way), and like the Palmyrene Empire, the Ashanti Empire was possessed of an amazing female warrior queen in Yaa Asantewaa, who fiercely fought colonial influence. As Wikipedia states: "Yaa Asantewaa was chosen by a number of regional Asante kings to be the war-leader of the Asante fighting force. This is the first and only example for a women to be given that role in Asante history." As far as portrayals in the game would go, we actually have an undated photo of Yaa Asantewaa, so that should help things considerably).
Burmese 25
Nubians 13
Phoenicians 26
Swahili/Kilwa 18
Tibetans 24
Vietnamese 21
Zimbabweans 5

 

[Mobfire]

Amrunril downvoted both Ashanti (27-3 - 24) and Nubians (17-3) on the earlier page. You can only downvote one civ right?

The Ashanti downvote was from my post that he forgot to erase, so the totals should be fine.

 

[Guandao]

Armenians 13
Ashanti 25
Burmese 25
Nubians (13+1)=14 Interesting female leader choices, my favorite is Amanirenas, it could be a Civ representing both ancient Nubia (Kush) and Christian Nubia (Makuria, Alodia, Nobatia)
Phoenicians (26-3)=23 I'm been looking at their known kings, don't really find any of them interesting, I would also not have Phoenician civ with Carthaginian aspects...
Swahili/Kilwa 18
Tibetans 24
Vietnamese 21
Zimbabweans 5

 

[nzcamel]

Armenians 16 - 3 = 13 (Least interesting of the remaining. Perhaps because of its stronger European ties. Armenia may be in the Middle East in a manner similar to Turkey or other frontier states, but Armenia's historical ties to Europe are undeniable and long-set. Also, I have not seen great arguments recently in this thread as to why Armenian history/leaders etc are interesting. Instead, all conversation has turned on acting with hostility to me after I stated that as a matter of fact Armenia is European. This also encourages me to downvote this civ, though my reasons are mainly historical (As I mentioned earlier, Turkey is also European and Asian both, which is why between Ottomans and almost any African/Southeast Asian civ I would choose the African/Southeast Asian civ every time).

I look forward of to your condemnation of 'another Euro civ' when the Ottomans are added!
European my big blue eyes. Turkey IS Asia minor for goodness sake.

The only country that is genuinely both (no matter what organization any of these countries belong to) is Russia, as it spans both continents. Yet to most people Russia is politically a European country as the bulk of its population lives there with a much smaller population scattered over Asia.

 

[Morningcalm]

I look forward of to your condemnation of 'another Euro civ' when the Ottomans are added!
European my big blue eyes. Turkey IS Asia minor for goodness sake.

The only country that is genuinely both (no matter what organization any of these countries belong to) is Russia, as it spans both continents. Yet to most people Russia is politically a European country as the bulk of its population lives there with a much smaller population scattered over Asia.

Sure! Happy to oblige!

Your definition of "genuinely both" fails to acknowledge that many states are in both Europe and Asia. I also don't know who the "most people" you refer to are. Is there an objective standard by which we can call Russia more politically European than Asian?

 

[DudewiththeFood]

Least interesting of the remaining. Perhaps because of its stronger European ties. Armenia may be in the Middle East in a manner similar to Turkey or other frontier states, but Armenia's historical ties to Europe are undeniable and long-set. Also, I have not seen great arguments recently in this thread as to why Armenian history/leaders etc are interesting. Instead, all conversation has turned on acting with hostility to me after I stated that as a matter of fact Armenia is European. This also encourages me to downvote this civ, though my reasons are mainly historical (As I mentioned earlier, Turkey is also European and Asian both, which is why between Ottomans and almost any African/Southeast Asian civ I would choose the African/Southeast Asian civ every time).

Tigranes ticks the boxes for a strong character and leader; there's the playing off of Roman and Persian empires for centuries and being a Medieval bastion for Christianity during Islamic domination. There's also Armenia's historical and long-set ties to Persia and the rest of the Middle East that at least equally important to their history. After all, their Christianity didn't come from Constantinople or Rome. However, if it's geographic location that's your biggest factor I can't make much of argument

Armenians 14
Ashanti 25
Burmese 25
Nubians 14
Phoenicians 23
Swahili/Kilwa 18
Tibetans 24
Vietnamese 18 - Not interested at all. Wouldn't mind another south-east Asian civ instead.
Zimbabweans 5

 

[Zaarin]

Armenians 15 (14 + 1) -- First, Armenia has always been a Near Eastern state. Second, even if we hypothetically call it European, I'm not sure why that should matter; we have exactly 0 civilizations from the Caucasus. In a TSL game, its closest neighbor would be Persia and it would be nowhere near Russia. As for what makes the civ interesting: it has an ancient and continuous culture--far more so than most civilizations on this list can claim. It was the world's first Christian nation. It would be the only Oriental Orthodox civilization on the list of civs. Unlike the marginalized Christian populations in most of the Near East, Armenia managed to maintain its Christian heritage even in the face of brutal persecution and genocide after conquest by multiple Muslim empires, including Persia (as well as Zoroastrian Sassanid Persia) and more recently the Ottomans. Also, I'm not sure what "ancient connections to Europe" you're talking about; despite modern ties to Europe (which makes sense in light of its present religious isolation), in ancient times its closest ties are clearly to Anatolia, Persia, and Mesopotamia (NB: the Armenians almost certainly originated in Anatolia). They are also among the earliest producers of wine and a strong candidate for the origin of apricots, and they have a unique religious, cultural, linguistic, and artistic heritage that's worth exploring. What's more, they have several leaders who definitely tick the big personality box, like Tigranes the Great and Tiridates I.
Ashanti 25
Burmese 25
Nubians 14
Phoenicians 23
Swahili/Kilwa 18
Tibetans 24
Vietnamese 18
Zimbabweans 2 (5 - 3) -- They're not really viable as a civ.

 

[sukritact]

Armenians 15
Ashanti 25
Burmese 25
Nubians 14
Phoenicians 23
Swahili/Kilwa 19 (18 + 1) Since Zimbabwe is doomed I'll throw my lot in with Kilwa, which is really cool.
Tibetans 24
Vietnamese 15 (18 - 3) Round about way for voting for Burma: a much better candidate for SEA
Zimbabweans 2

 

[Dirk Hartog]

Armenians 15-3=12 Same as before
Ashanti 25
Burmese 25
Nubians 14
Phoenicians 23
Swahili/Kilwa 19
Tibetans 24+1=25 Same as before
Vietnamese 15
Zimbabweans 2

 

[Manifold]

Armenians 9 (12-3) This is for Shaka
Ashanti 25
Burmese 25
Nubians 14
Phoenicians 24 (23+1) They sacrificed people (children) - like Shaka
Swahili/Kilwa 19
Tibetans 25
Vietnamese 15
Zimbabweans 2

 

[God of Kings]

Armenians 9
Ashanti 25
Burmese 25
Nubians 14
Phoenicians 24 + 1 = 25; as I said numerous times, great trading civ and invented what would later become the alphabet
Swahili/Kilwa 19
Tibetans 25
Vietnamese 15
Zimbabweans 2 - 3 = ELIMINATED; not much is known about pre-colonial Zimbabwe aside from the Great Zimbabwe; even then, Zimbabwe would make a great city-state instead

 

[Mobfire]

Armenians 10 (9 + 1) I will admit, I didn't know much about them before, but the debate about them has piqued my curiosity enough that I'll spend a vote to delay their demise.
Ashanti 25
Burmese 25
Nubians 14
Phoenicians 22 (25 - 3) Personally, I believe the Phoenicians are better off as city states. There would also be overlap with Carthage. I like them, but not as much as some of the others on this list.
Swahili/Kilwa 19
Tibetans 25
Vietnamese 15

 

[altayrneto]

Armenians 10
Ashanti 26 (25+1) Morningcalm's reason seens enough to me
Burmese 25
Nubians 14
Phoenicians 22
Swahili/Kilwa 19
Tibetans 22 (25-3) I would love to see then, but saddly, Tibet is an unfesible civ. (Having troubles with the chinese market, even more with so many other options of civs, is something that companies avoid). Like with an Israel civ, or the Pueblo, I think would be better to hope for other civs...
Vietnamese 15