Never before seen wonders - Elimination Thread

[luigilime]

Al-Qarawiyyin Mosque and University 2-3 ELIMINATED let's just clean up the options
Cairo Citadel 2
Chrysler Building 20
Cliff Palace 24
Gyeongbokgung Palace 22
Karnak Temples 26
Palais des Papes 21+1=22 it's a good looking fortress that could have some interesting bonuses to offer religiously
Santa Maria del Fiore 33
St. Mark's Basilica 14 as much as I want to save it you do have a point: there's already the arsenal in the game so we should focus on some other places to have a more complete assortment of wonders from all over the world
Tomb of Antiochus I 26

 

[God of Kings]

Cairo Citadel 2 - 3 = ELIMINATED There's better options
Chrysler Building 20 + 1 = 21 There needs to be Art Deco skyscrapers
Cliff Palace 24
Gyeongbokgung Palace 22
Karnak Temples 26
Palais des Papes 22
Santa Maria del Fiore 33
St. Mark's Basilica 14
Tomb of Antiochus I 26

 

[Roman Citizen]

Chrysler Building 21+1=22 We need more art Deco.
Cliff Palace 24
Gyeongbokgung Palace 22
Karnak Temples 26
Palais des Papes 22-3=19 I prefer the other remaining places
Santa Maria del Fiore 33
St. Mark's Basilica 14
Tomb of Antiochus I 26

 

[Guandao]

Chrysler Building 22
Cliff Palace 24
Gyeongbokgung Palace (22-3)=19 I think the East Asian Palace niche has already been taken by the Forbidden City. If I had to choose a Korean wonder for the game, it would be that pagoda which Morningcalm has suggested in the past. I forget the name, it's also non-existent today, but was seemingly the inspiration for the Korean wonder in the Age of Empires 2 expansion.
Karnak Temples 26
Palais des Papes 19
Santa Maria del Fiore 33
St. Mark's Basilica 14
Tomb of Antiochus I (26+1)=27 Nemrut Dag would be a cool wonder, with those large seated statues. Truely a blend of various cultural influences, and it was commissioned by the king of a rather minor kingdom (Commagene) in Asia Minor.

 

[Manifold]

Chrysler Building 19 (22-3) never heard of before
Cliff Palace 24
Gyeongbokgung Palace 19
Karnak Temples 26
Palais des Papes 19
Santa Maria del Fiore 34 (33+1) Civ icon
St. Mark's Basilica 14
Tomb of Antiochus I 27

 

[Zaarin]

Chrysler Building 19 (22-3) never heard of before

Then try Wikipedia, or a Google search.

 

[Manifold]

Then try Wikipedia, or a Google search.

I wanted to say it is just too unknown. If it were a ww, then it would be better known. I would say it is an interesting architecture, but I do not like it very much.
The Empire State Building is just the one Skyscraper which everyone knows, or?

 

[God of Kings]

I wanted to say it is just too unknown. If it were a ww, then it would be better known. I would say it is an interesting architecture, but I do not like it very much.
The Empire State Building is just the one Skyscraper which everyone knows, or?

The Chrysler Building is only a few blocks away from the ESB.

There's no shortage of skyscrapers on an island like Manhattan.

 

[Zaarin]

I wanted to say it is just too unknown. If it were a ww, then it would be better known. I would say it is an interesting architecture, but I do not like it very much.
The Empire State Building is just the one Skyscraper which everyone knows, or?

I can't speak for outside the US, but it's a very well-known building here. The Wikipedia page, for example, mentions that it makes many lists of people's favorite skyscrapers. I personally think it's a much more attractive building than the Empire State Building (more curved, less blocky), but that is of course a matter of taste.

 

[RFormica]

I can't speak for outside the US, but it's a very well-known building here. The Wikipedia page, for example, mentions that it makes many lists of people's favorite skyscrapers. I personally think it's a much more attractive building than the Empire State Building (more curved, less blocky), but that is of course a matter of taste.

Agreed. I've been to both, and the Chrysler is definitely the more "Wondrous" of the two. And yes, the Empire State Building is more recognizable, but the Chrysler is, hands-down, the better option. (It shouldn't matter at all if people know what it is. Great Zimbabwe, Huey Teocalli and the Potala Palace are almost unheard of. In fact, even the spellcheck doesn't know what it is.)

 

[RFormica]

I was reading over the previous posts, and I have some thoughts about the Brooklyn Bridge
1. It could be built adjacent to a river and add a small river texture under the bridge.
2. It could be a 2-tile wonder, one part of it on each side (I know it doesn't exist... yet. It's possible.)
3. It would be possible to add a new terrain type that is a river running through the middle of a tile
4. It could be built on one side and just have the 3D model spill over onto the other tile and cover whatever is there. May look a little strange, but it works.
5. It could be built over a coast tile, because the East River isn't technically a river, just a section of sea connecting two larger bays.
**PERSONAL FAVORITE**6. It could be built on a peninsula with sea on either side and just add a river under the bridge.

 

[Manifold]

There's no shortage of skyscrapers on an island like Manhattan.

There are also small buildings and houses on Manhattan. That was at least some time ago so.

I can't speak for outside the US, but it's a very well-known building here. The Wikipedia page, for example, mentions that it makes many lists of people's favorite skyscrapers. I personally think it's a much more attractive building than the Empire State Building (more curved, less blocky), but that is of course a matter of taste.

For my taste he is something to decant. The Empire State Building is more factual and reasonable.
But maybe the Empire State Building has become also more famous because of the skyscraper run with the Chrysler Building.
Additionally to that what God of Kings wrote the Empire State Building was 41 years the highest building in Manhattan and the world.
This is crucial!

 

[RFormica]

I simply can't ignore the fact that the Chrysler has stunning architecture. Again, it shouldn't matter if it is famous or not, it should just matter if it is a true wonder - i.e. stunning example of architecture, which is not the Empire State Building.

 

[Xandinho]

Talking like someone who does not live in the USA. The Empire State Building is familiar to me for a long time, but the Chrysler Building is new to me and I came to know this a short time ago, and I do not think there are many people here that know the Chrysler Building.
Obviously, I consider the two skyscrapers incredible and either one would be great addition to the game, but the Empire State Building is certainly much more famous and iconic.

 

[RFormica]

Spoiler :

I mean, just compare #1 to #2.
Chrysler - Nice color, very iconic and cool top, smooth, looks like it is meant to be there, and you can't go wrong with gargoyles. (I know that they're not in the image, but still cool.)
Empire - Dirty-looking color, top looks like it came from a different building, very blocky, and sticks out like a sore thumb. It kind of looks like it is still under construction.

 

[Morningcalm]

Please use spoiler tags around the pictures to make them more manageable and the thread easier to navigate.

 

[Eric Guimarães]

I would like to see Sagrada Familia cathedral in the game

 

[Zaarin]

Chrysler Building 20 (19 + 1) -- Probably the most stunning exemplar of Art Deco skyscrapers, far more wondrous than the Empire Square Building, and if less iconic is much more well-regarded by architects and artists. I don't think height is all that relevant to the discussion; skyscrapers periodically add taller spires to play a silly one-upsmanship game of "my building is taller than your building." When it comes to skyscrapers, I think the focus should be on the artistic and architectural elements instead.
Cliff Palace 21 (24 - 3) -- I'm surprised to see this with more votes than Gyeongbokgung or Palais des Papes. I recognize that it's difficult to find Native American wonders, but let's be frank: the Native Americans weren't great builders. They were an innovative people with many valid cultural accomplishments worthy of recognition in game, but wonder building isn't really one of them.
Gyeongbokgung Palace 19
Karnak Temples 26
Palais des Papes 19
Santa Maria del Fiore 34
St. Mark's Basilica 14
Tomb of Antiochus I 27

 

[Kimiimaro]

Chrysler Building 20
Cliff Palace 21-3=18 -
Gyeongbokgung Palace 19
Karnak Temples 26
Palais des Papes 19
Santa Maria del Fiore 34
St. Mark's Basilica 14+1=15 - My personal wish.
Tomb of Antiochus I 27

 

[RFormica]

Chrysler Building 20 + 1 = 21 There are no skyscraper wonders, the Art Deco architecture is an example of master craftsmanship.
Cliff Palace 18
Gyeongbokgung Palace 19
Karnak Temples 26
Palais des Papes 19 - 3 = 16 Too much like the Alhambra, and when it comes to castles and cathedrals, there are better choices (Alhambra, Sagranda Familia, St. Mark's Basilica).
Santa Maria del Fiore 34
St. Mark's Basilica 15
Tomb of Antiochus I 27