New Buildings Discussion

[Hydromancerx]

1. Hmm ok. I will try to get something written up soon.

3. Yes. I changed it in the original posts if you are confused.

4. Already did. See original posts.

5. Hmm. Do you need me to write it up or can you find all the plant map resources?

6. No, but I will have to think about that. May not even need it if you can grow your meat through artificial organs, etc.

 

[Faustmouse]

4. So only the Mining BOT (Not mech or nanobot) should get a bonus from techs?

5. I just use the Seed Vault as base.

6. Makes sense.

And I will look for the two missing icons you PMed me about.

 

[Hydromancerx]

4. Oops! No they should too. Fixed the original posts.

5. Ok.

7. Thanks.

 

[Faustmouse]

Why don't we have Canned Food as a Bonus? This would be especially handy once the need for supply mod is done.

 

[strategyonly]

OK, from now on from the Modern Era on, only ONE building per tech, if we have three right now, lets separate it it to another tech, thx.

 

[Nimek]

OK, from now on from the Modern Era on, only ONE building per tech, if we have three right now, lets separate it it to another tech, thx.

This is for serious. One building per tech is very very restrictive. Give us some space please example beetwen one to three. Why only one?

 

[strategyonly]

This is for serious. One building per tech is very very restrictive. Give us some space please example between one to three. Why only one?

OK i will do what you ask: "between one to three", so 2 then.

 

[Azurian]

OK i will do what you ask: "between one to three", so 2 then.

My apologies, but I highly disagree with only have 1-3 buildings per Tech StrategyOnly.

Why are we applying this policy, Koshling said buildings don't have a strong memory usuage?

Why only Modern to Galactic?


We have about 450 buildings left for Transhuman, and maybe 700 max for Galactic. Your quote doesn't make for very good game design, and doesn't fit with the amount in other eras. There is more technological innovation after Modern.

 

[strategyonly]

My apologies, but I highly disagree with only have 1-3 buildings per Tech StrategyOnly.

Why are we applying this policy, Koshling said buildings don't have a strong memory usage?

Why only Modern to Galactic?


We have about 450 buildings left for Transhuman, and maybe 700 max for Galactic. Your quote doesn't make for very good game design, and doesn't fit with the amount in other eras. There is more technological innovation after Modern.

How true you are, but the main reason i did this is because, HOW many people have actually made it even to the TranHuman Era?? I bet you probably can count them with your hands and toes.
Memory i am not concerned about anymore.

In my present game i am in the Modern Era, and i can only play about 6 turns before BORED. Then wait 2 hours and play maybe 5 more. Its back and forth that way (at least for me). Not much for motivation unless you can have something HUGE going on, and then Whats that?? I dont mean to be a dill pickle, but jeez.

 

[Faustmouse]

Modern era gameplay is very boring indeed. We need something new, like the spacestuff. Also, when the AI gets improved sometimes in the future, the later game should be more interesting.
I'd say we can continue to develope more buildings, but just don't add them in the core.
I can make an additional folder with buildings that are beyond the 2 buildings per tech and make it off per default. How does this sound SO? Once more people reach the TH era we can turn it on if we want to.

 

[Nimek]

If we want ,ore interesting laer gameplay lets improve revolutions - in relity protest are big problem for rulers in modern world.

Lets also add social policies like retire system from Total WAR
Also add active senat from Advanced Diplomacy 2 and Total WAR
ALso add newest version of Super Spies by stolenrayns

lets add stockpile exaustable resources from EOW mod

Modern worldis not focused at warfare but at social and international relations.

And lets add something called EConomic warfare

In short - we can add more buildings but most of all we need new concepts to make game interesting in future eras.

 

[strategyonly]

If we want ,for interesting later gameplay lets improve revolutions - in reality protest are big problem for rulers in modern world.

Lets also add social policies like retire system from Total WAR
Also add active senat from Advanced Diplomacy 2 and Total WAR
ALso add newest version of Super Spies by stolenrays

lets add stockpile exhaustible resources from EOW mod

Modern world is not focused at warfare but at social and international relations.

And lets add something called Economic warfare

In short - we can add more buildings but most of all we need new concepts to make game interesting in future eras.

Nice ideas and all, BUT who is going to implement them?? We are so bogged down down. We need at least 1 more SDK person, and 2 python personnel.

 

[Hydromancerx]

OK, from now on from the Modern Era on, only ONE building per tech, if we have three right now, lets separate it it to another tech, thx.

Why such an arbitrary rule? One reason we reduced the numbers of techs on the tech tree is so we could express the ideas as buildings instead of new techs. Thus each tech would have lots of buildings. This is totally unfair.

Modern era gameplay is very boring indeed. We need something new, like the spacestuff. Also, when the AI gets improved sometimes in the future, the later game should be more interesting.

Indeed once Space, Pandemic Diseases and Black Ops are put in you should have a lot more excitement in later game.

 

[Faustmouse]

Nice ideas and all, BUT who is going to implement them?? We are so bogged down down. We need at least 1 more SDK person, and 2 python personnel.

Have you asked the developers from the mods Nimek posted? I can understand if they only want to do their own thing, but they *might* be interested in helping C2C.

SO, are you ok if we add more buildings but put them in a seperated folder, that is not loaded per default. So if you want to have more buildings, you can change the loading setting easily. And if you are only in the PH era for example, you could switch those off and save memory.

 

[Hydromancerx]

@Faustmouse

After playing some SimCity (2013) I realized we don't have any Reclamation Plants. Having them should help any nation without a resource to catch up and recycle the goods they trade for the resources they need if they have a Recycling Plant.

---Buildings---

Plastic Reclamation Plant
Button/Icon: -
Req Tech: Recycling
Req Buildings: Recycling Center
Req Resources: (See Here)
Req City Size: 6
Cost: 1750
Req Power: Yes
Replaced By: None
Obsolete Tech: -

• Produces 1 Plastic
• -100
• +1
• +15 Air Pollution
• +15 Flammability

---

Please do the same stats just different name and product for ...

- Aluminum Reclamation Plant = Aluminum Ingots
- Steel Reclamation Plant = Steel Ingots
- Titanium Reclamation Plant = Titanium Ingots
- Copper Reclamation Plant = Copper Ingots
- Iron Reclamation Plant = Iron Ingots
- Lead Reclamation Plant = Lead Ingots
- Tin Reclamation Plant = Tin Ingots
- Silver Reclamation Plant = Silver Ingots
- Gold Reclamation Plant = Gold Ingots
- Platinum Reclamation Plant = Platinum Ingots
- Rubber Reclamation Plant = Synthetic Rubber
- Paper Reclamation Plant = Paper
- Glass Reclamation Plant = Glasswares

---Resources---

Canned Foods
Revealed: Food Preservation
Enabled: Food Preservation

---

Thanks!

 

[Koshling]

@Faustmouse

After playing some SimCity (2013) I realized we don't have any Reclamation Plants. Having them should help any nation without a resource to catch up and recycle the goods they trade for the resources they need if they have a Recycling Plant.

---Buildings---

Plastic Reclamation Plant
Button/Icon: -
Req Tech: Recycling
Req Buildings: Recycling Center
Req Resources: -
Req City Size: 6
Cost: 1750
Req Power: Yes
Replaced By: None
Obsolete Tech: -

• Produces 1 Plastic
• -100
• +1
• +15 Air Pollution
• +15 Flammability

---

Please do the same stats just different name and product for ...

- Aluminum Reclamation Plant = Aluminum Ingots
- Steel Reclamation Plant = Steel Ingots
- Titanium Reclamation Plant = Titanium Ingots
- Copper Reclamation Plant = Copper Ingots
- Iron Reclamation Plant = Iron Ingots
- Lead Reclamation Plant = Lead Ingots
- Tin Reclamation Plant = Tin Ingots
- Silver Reclamation Plant = Silver Ingots
- Gold Reclamation Plant = Gold Ingots
- Platinum Reclamation Plant = Platinum Ingots
- Rubber Reclamation Plant = Synthetic Rubber

Do you think Paper and Glass should be listed too?

---Resources---

Canned Foods
Revealed: Food Preservation
Enabled: Food Preservation

---

Thanks!

Er, how is this dependent on any goods you are trading for? Doesn't this mean a nation with no trade links at all and no resources can produce them by recycling...well nothing really?

If (say) aluminum recycling plant required bonus 'tinned foods' OR bonus <something else that would have aluminum in> it would make sense...

 

[Hydromancerx]

SO, are you ok if we add more buildings but put them in a seperated folder, that is not loaded per default. So if you want to have more buildings, you can change the loading setting easily. And if you are only in the PH era for example, you could switch those off and save memory.

The problem is the buildings we are making are linked to so many other buildings that won't be turned off. Its too much effort for too little pay off. For Alt-Timeline stuff its fine but not when we have buildings all interlinked within the web of other buildings.

Limiting buildings to one per tech is not going to make it more exciting. Adding more things that can cause conflict and a challenge will. However we need the good stuff put in first, otherwise the player will not have any tools to combat the negative.

 

[strategyonly]

Indeed once Space, Pandemic Diseases and Black Ops are put in you should have a lot more excitement in later game.

The problem is the buildings we are making are linked to so many other buildings that won't be turned off. Its too much effort for too little pay off. For Alt-Timeline stuff its fine but not when we have buildings all interlinked within the web of other buildings.

Limiting buildings to one per tech is not going to make it more exciting. Adding *more things that can cause conflict and a challenge will. However we need the good stuff put in first, otherwise the player will not have any tools to combat the negative.

OK, i will cave in here, you are absolutely correct, WE do need *, ok i guess it was my ADHD acting up again. But pls dont get out of control on this, thx.
Right now i dont like the ingot/wares stuff, i find it confusing and really not needed stuff. IMPO stuff like that, no offense.
Hydro i am trusting you, AGAIN!!.

btw those PINK btns are still there i mentioned days ago yet???

 

[Hydromancerx]

Er, how is this dependent on any goods you are trading for? Doesn't this mean a nation with no trade links at all and no resources can produce them by recycling...well nothing really?

If (say) aluminum recycling plant required bonus 'tinned foods' OR bonus <something else that would have aluminum in> it would make sense...

Well yeah, i was going to list goods that were made of the various materials. But I thought maybe it would be too much. But here goes ...

Plastic Reclamation Plant
Req Resources: Water Bottles OR Soda Pop OR Energy Drinks OR Power Tools OR Blenders OR Vacuums OR Washer Dryer OR Service Bots OR Cellphones OR Shoes OR Televisions Or Computers OR Microwaves

Aluminum Reclamation Plant
Req Resources: Canned Foods OR Parts OR Soda Pop OR Bicycles OR Automobiles OR Computers OR Metamaterals

Steel Reclamation Plant
Req Resources: Canned Foods OR Parts OR Refrigerators OR Bicycles OR Automobiles OR Metamaterals

Titanium Reclamation Plant
Req Resources: Parts OR Bicycles OR Metamaterals

Copper Reclamation Plant
Req Resources: Copper Wires OR Semiconductors OR Computers OR Jewelry

Iron Reclamation Plant
Req Resources: Parts OR Bicycles

Lead Reclamation Plant
Req Resources: ?

Tin Reclamation Plant
Req Resources: Canned Foods OR Parts

Silver Reclamation Plant
Req Resources: Jewelry

Gold Reclamation Plant
Req Resources: Jewelry

Platinum Reclamation Plant
Req Resources: Jewelry OR Exoskeletons

Rubber Reclamation Plant
Req Resources: Tires OR Automobiles

Paper Reclamation Plant
Req Resources: Books OR Newspapers

Glass Reclamation Plant
Req Resources: Televisions OR Soda Pop OR Fiber Glass OR Fiber Optic Cables

 

[Hydromancerx]

OK, i will cave in here, you are absolutely correct, WE do need *, ok i guess it was my ADHD acting up again. But pls dont get out of control on this, thx.
Right now i dont like the ingot/wares stuff, i find it confusing and really not needed stuff. IMPO stuff like that, no offense.
Hydro i am trusting you, AGAIN!!.

btw those PINK btns are still there i mentioned days ago yet???

Thanks for trusting me. I also have a lot of trust in TB and DH that their Disease and Black Ops stuff will bring the excitement to the later eras. And hopefully someday players will get to explore off world with multimaps. the Whole Space race and colonization of the moon and mars should be very existing for the later eras.

As for the pink icons, Fausmouse is already aware of them and trying to fix them. Remember he had a very busy RL this month. So we should cut him some slack since he did an AMAZING job over the summer.