New Civs - Confirmed Details

[The_J]

It's hard to say what they mean about the "Sea Dagger", it seems to be a melee ship, but that's not unique. Does it gain extra gold from taking coastal cities?

I'm with you here. Might be that whoever wrote the article doesn't know it better .

The 'Sea Dagger' may be able to build Polders on Coastal Tiles?

I think that's two clauses in a not greatly written sentence.

They have Sea Daggers
They can build Polders which...

ETA: Any Dutch person have a clue what a Sea Dagger is?

I understood it in the same way like Louis, I changed my translation a bit .

 

[Pouakai]

Only thing I can find is a Spec. Ops Swedish sub


EDIT: My post was purely speculation on how to make the Sea Dagger unique

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

Maybe Sea Dagger is a German translation or euphemism for Privateer or Pirate.

 

[janboruta]

It was the only English word in a German article, it wasn't translated, but it would make sense that it's a Privateer. Modern "Sea Dagger" is a sovert operations submarine, and it doesn't fit the Dutch. I think it's a kind of privateer, fluyt or other light ship.

 

[guczy]

I don't really see the confusion, to me the german text is quite clear:

UA: East India Company - Can trade luxuries w/o losing happiness
UU: Sea Dagger - A replacement for the privateer (this is just giessing, but as we know there will be such a ship it is safe to say, that the Sea Dagger will be its replacement), that can plunder coastal cities without capturing them
UI: Polder - well the article doesnt really say anything about it, that could be translated into a game concept, it is probably built on marshes and gives gold and food

 

[Louis XXIV]

Sea Dagger is written in English, which suggests it's the unit name.

 

[Pouakai]

We know from other articles that Polder give Tulips as Unique Luxury

 

[guczy]

Sea Dagger is written in English, which suggests it's the unit name.

I really hope they have a good explanation for that name though, i love the Age of Sail, have read books, watched movies and played games of this era, but never ever seen "Sea Dagger"

 

[Louis XXIV]

Well, it doesn't make sense for them to pull it out of thin air, especially since there are known Dutch things they could have used as an alternative.

 

[shaglio]

"the Netherlands can also build polders, which they can use to gain new land and which protects them from floods."

I wonder if this means there will be random events such as natural disasters?

 

[Deggial]

I wouldn't be so nitpicking about this german article.

While there are some usefull informations, the author seemed a little bit clueless on other points. For example he writes about some changes in espionage as if espionage was included in vanilla CiV.

 

[shaglio]

I wouldn't be so nitpicking about this german article.

While there are some usefull informations, the author seemed a little bit clueless on other points. For example he writes about some changes in espionage as if espionage was included in vanilla CiV.

As I was reading, I thought some things sounded a little odd. I just assumed that was due to a bad translation from google. Maybe this guy was just elaborating on what Polders do in real life rather than what they do in the game.

 

[Dragonflow]

According to the German article the Dutch can trade luxuries without losing happiness, they can build a ship called Sea Dagger which can raid coastal cities and they can build Podlers that create new land and protect that land from floods.

 

[MadDjinn]

Anyone else think this 'reviewer' just misunderstood most of what was said?

A quick 'google' of Sea Dagger gets the aforementioned 'sub' with Sweden/Germany as reference countries.

That's very unlikely to be a renaissance era ship.

Any chance someone knows of a better Eighty Year War (independence was around the time of Frigates/etc) ship? and to top that off, assume 'dagger' is mildly 'phonetically' similar - at least to someone who doesn't understand English well/has accent issues.

 

[turingmachine]

The only non-modern, non submarine "Sea Dagger" I could find on Google is that it's the name of a privateer in a series of romance novels by Brenda Joyce. I seriously hope that's not the reference they were going for.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

I may have a clue for our Sea Dagger:

What if the German misheard or misread the unit name? Being a different language than his own, it could be possible.

I found a Dutch boat type called a Dogger. it's a vessel with a blunt bow and two masts. A blunt-prowed vessel would probably make a good landing craft because it can run up on beaches.

Sea Dagger = Zee Dogger?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogger_(boat)

 

[CivOasis]

I put up the information, though I do need to throw the colors up, still.

 

[guczy]

I may have a clue for our Sea Dagger:

What if the German misheard or misread the unit name? Being a different language than his own, it could be possible.

I found a Dutch boat type called a Dogger. it's a vessel with a blunt bow and two masts. A blunt-prowed vessel would probably make a good landing craft because it can run up on beaches.

Sea Dagger = Zee Dogger?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogger_(boat)

That would not make too much sense either, as according to the wikipedia article the Dogger is a small fishing boat, the military version had only 4 cannons, which is half of that of a Sloop

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

However, given that it is a fishing vessel, but also known to be armed, it would make a good Privateer. Plus, creative interpretation on the part of Firaxis could give it a mightier punch.

 

[guczy]

However, given that it is a fishing vessel, but also known to be armed, it would make a good Privateer. Plus, creative interpretation on the part of Firaxis could give it a mightier punch.

It's a 13 ton fishing vessel. You need to be REALLY creative to make that into a ship that can plunder a port.