Originally posted by ComradeDavo
No Simon, you couldn't be more wrong. Britain is supposed to be a democracy, correct me if i'm wrong but is a democracy not about what the people think?
You are aware that the left hold the opinion that the right is a bunbh of greedy power crazed money obsessed maniacs? For someone who has lectured me and many others before on the 'error of their ways' i'm quite suprised at your use of childish insults (and yes I am still annoyed at you branding me a 'misguided child' on several occasions)
The sticker makes an important point, Labour is worryingly nationalistic in it's treatment of asylum seakers and most ceartinally the leadership has abonded it's traditional socialist roots in favour of a more 'nationalistic' approach. whilst not applying to the Labour back benchers, I feel that the sticker makes a good point about the routes the Labour leadership has choosen to follow.
Democracy? Nonsense! It is an absolute monarchy!
Being a democracy doesn't mean foolishness, and acting like a guttersnipe should not go unchallenged. Democracy means that there should be an open forum for ideas, but it extends in both directions.
Most importantly, though, any thinking person can tell tripe when they see it, and this pure, bloody, still warm viscera.
The point, and I use that term very tentatively, is that they are equating the Blair Labour government with National Socialism, ie Nazism.
It is tendancy of some brainless gorms from the loony left to label anything they don't agree with as "fascist", or "nazi", but it deserves as much creedence as the political mutterings and moanings of Rick and Neil from "The Young Ones"
These cretins do not have a scintilla of an iota of a shade of any semblance of a real conception of Nazism and Fascism. They are rightly among the most reviled epithets that can be thrown at individuals and political groups, and the casual abuse of them, with all the involved history and implications, is what gets my goat.
Aye, and my mongoose too.
It would get my parrot, but it is dead, and has ceased to be.
The labels I use are apt descriptions of the screwed up mental state, beliefs and worldview of these individuals. They are not insults. I have far better, much more vivid and imaginative insults and barbs in my armoury, but these "people" are not worth them.
Sometimes, the truth must be given in its basest form, and that involves in straying from the discourse of the genteel.
I am aware of the thinking of the left on these matters; it matters not a whit. The difference between their ravings and my well structured melodious argument is that I am right. Let me expand on this point.
They do not call them the loony left for nothing. The message of this sticker is but one example of the extremist nonsense they spout which has no basis in reality. This is not to say this is true of everyone on the left side of the political spectrum, only these ne'erdowells and their verminous insane ilk
Sometimes, a spade needs to be called a bloody shovel.
As to the rather weak justification for the sticker, that is not what they meant and we all know it. Labour has moved to the centre, just as the ALP has here, for their political survival. This was something happening for a long time, even before the changes to the Party constitution.
This does not automatically mean "nationalism", nor can I see what is so evil or worrying about "nationalism". There have been Labour and left governments all around the world who have been far more "nationalist", racist and the like than the Blair government. Just because a government is left or communist enough for your taste doesn't mean they are Nazis.
The sticker was not about asylum seeker policies, nor the direction of Labour; it was directly calling the government a Nazi regime.
This is false, it is offensive intellectually, it is laughable, and it demeans the losses of some many to the vile Nazi regime.
And it is done in a medium where those responsible conveniently do not have to back up their outlandish argument. There is nothing of any merit in their little website either, incidentally, not even a new fantasy or conspiracy theory to make my time there worthwhile
As to the socialist nature of Labour/Labor Parties, and the attitudes, beliefs and revolutionary potential of the Western proletariat, that is a matter for another day.
In conclusion, the employment of harsh language towards these individuals is justified by the utter nonsensical nature of their arguments and beliefs, and perhaps even more so by their ignorant bandying about of labels such as "National Socialist", "Nazi" and "fascist".
And, tovarisch, you are a misguided child.
You are a child under the law, and your views are misguided. Simple. Doesn't make you a bad person, unless you start spouting the madness of this anarcho-syndicalist mob. It takes different amounts of time for different people to find their path to the truth.
PS: To alhailindia, it is not a quote from Mr. B, but one's style has been moulded by many influences, and Curtis/Elton is one of them, albeit to a lesser degree than Fry, Wilde and Stalin
And I did say Britain is 'supposed to be a democracy', in reference to the usual line Tony Blair gives for justifying....well justifying just about everything to be honest!
