New NESes, ideas, development, etc

[Cynovolans]

Well I already said I would take that part out of Mali's colonies. Besides I got the map done and the only major colony of Mali is in Guiana. It only has a few other minor colonies and those only exist with help from tribute states.

 

[alex994]

You seem rather hellbent on bringing that scenario into fruition; may I ask why?

@shadow, that seems like an interesting idea...

 

[Cynovolans]

It would be my first NES, just becoming obsessed with it.

 

[TheLastOne36]

An idea sprang into my head.. What if we had a NES where all the players started out in the Americas continent (aside for a few NPC's in the eastern Hemisphere) and after spreading out and controlling the American continent, they began spreading out to the old world.

Could be fun in this impossible scenerio.

 

[Thlayli]

An idea sprang into my head.. What if we had a NES where all the players started out in the Americas continent (aside for a few NPC's in the eastern Hemisphere) and after spreading out and controlling the American continent, they began spreading out to the old world.

Could be fun in this impossible scenerio.

It has been done. Multiple times.

 

[Ninja Dude]

So have Fresh-Starts, Non-Earth Fresh Starts, Space-NESes, Alternate History NESes, Evolution NESes...

 

[Shadowbound]

Super Robot NES 2031?

 

[Kentharu]

Alien Space Bats NES

 

[Milarqui]

As you know, Dragonson has been hosting a RPG NES set in a fantasy world, and Haseri has created other NES based on it, but set 3,000 years before. There is someone else planning to do a Merchant & Assassins Renaissance-epoch NES (I think it's Seon). Do you think a RPG NES set in the future (you know, with the travelling around planets and such would have a future (pun intended)?

 

[EQandcivfanatic]

@TheLastOne: Almost all NES ideas have been done at some point or another, and that idea is no exception. Personally, I've always liked that idea, just never really felt like doing it. My own recommendation would to be to start it out in a Mesopotamia like region there (maybe Mississippi basin?) or something like that. It'd be interesting to see a fresh start and I'd play it, but the inherent problems are the terrain of the Americas in comparison to the regions surrounding the Med. Sea. Most of the continents are either jungle or tundra, making civilization more difficult (though not impossible).

 

[TheLastOne36]

@TheLastOne: Almost all NES ideas have been done at some point or another, and that idea is no exception. Personally, I've always liked that idea, just never really felt like doing it. My own recommendation would to be to start it out in a Mesopotamia like region there (maybe Mississippi basin?) or something like that. It'd be interesting to see a fresh start and I'd play it, but the inherent problems are the terrain of the Americas in comparison to the regions surrounding the Med. Sea. Most of the continents are either jungle or tundra, making civilization more difficult (though not impossible).

The problem is the continental axis, in asia they are west to east, allowing technology (such as agriculture, writing, etc.) spread quickly around the continent, while in Africa and the Americas they had a north south axis which didn't allow such a thing.

I said that it is an impossible scenerio, but i'm just gonna search the forum for the NES anyway.

 

[EQandcivfanatic]

Well, I just looked back at the previous NESes done on that. The one I found which was mine, was based in 1492, with European countries displaced to the Americas.

As for the spread of technology, why not base it around the Caribbean? Technology spread across the Roman Empire and that region becuase of the use of the Med. Sea. Make the Caribbean the basis for civilization in the Americas, and the problem disappears, allowing for quicker trading. The Mississippi River would also work for this purpose.

 

[bombshoo]

Well, I just looked back at the previous NESes done on that. The one I found which was mine, was based in 1492, with European countries displaced to the Americas.

As for the spread of technology, why not base it around the Caribbean? Technology spread across the Roman Empire and that region becuase of the use of the Med. Sea. Make the Caribbean the basis for civilization in the Americas, and the problem disappears, allowing for quicker trading. The Mississippi River would also work for this purpose.

The Caribbean isn't quite as safe for sailing as the Mediterranean with all the hurricanes and such. It also does not have the good climate and has a lot of disease. The lack of large animals for herding also hurts it I think. Nonetheless there is still other areas with better climate and good animals. South Africa for example. I never knew why they failed to develop a stronger civilization there before European contact.

 

[EQandcivfanatic]

Geographical determinism is the answer. Europe ultimately focused on machinery, which no other region in the world did to the same extent. From there came industry and power. It's not a matter of Africans not having a "strong" civilization, which in some terms they did, but of technical superiority of the Europeans and the ultimate reliance which the African kings and sultans ultimately placed upon European goods.

 

[Shadowbound]

The problem is the continental axis, in asia they are west to east, allowing technology (such as agriculture, writing, etc.) spread quickly around the continent, while in Africa and the Americas they had a north south axis which didn't allow such a thing.

Someone reads their Diamond. He was talking more about flora and fauna, and how they had an easier time expanding into similar climate conditions along the east-west axis rather than north-south. The ease to spread domesticated animals likely assisted in the development of civilization, but writing and similar ideas wouldn't have had as much trouble.

 

[TheLastOne36]

Someone reads their Diamond. He was talking more about flora and fauna, and how they had an easier time expanding into similar climate conditions along the east-west axis rather than north-south. The ease to spread domesticated animals likely assisted in the development of civilization, but writing and similar ideas wouldn't have had as much trouble.

Well it is logic, strengthened with a little diamond.

The Caribbean isn't quite as safe for sailing as the Mediterranean with all the hurricanes and such. It also does not have the good climate and has a lot of disease. The lack of large animals for herding also hurts it I think. Nonetheless there is still other areas with better climate and good animals. South Africa for example. I never knew why they failed to develop a stronger civilization there before European contact.

I don't think the Bantu Cows(and other animals) reached the Bantu in South Africa before european contact, plus they didn't have as much time to compete with the Europeans.

The Bantu got to South Africa around 900 AD, by that time Europe was already fighting each other under feudal states.

What surprises me more is the Swahili, they were already in small states competing with each other like the Maya and Ancient Greeks, plus they could've traded for technology with the Arabs long before Europeans came. Not to mention the effect religion(islam) had on the area.

 

[EQandcivfanatic]

Well if you're going to have humanity start in the Americas, why not have the domestic livestock start there as well? Cattle as a whole thrived in the swamps of Florida and wild cattle remained present for hundreds of years, well into the twentieth century. They also have done well in Texas I'd say and further south in the islands to a much lesser degree. But as stated before, livestock arent the whole of a civilization. The other technologies could (and did) spread across the continent. Personally, I'd argue that civilization could begin and spread through North America and the Caribbean coast, if not across the entirety of the Americas.

 

[bombshoo]

Well it is logic, strengthened with a little diamond.



I don't think the Bantu Cows(and other animals) reached the Bantu in South Africa before european contact, plus they didn't have as much time to compete with the Europeans.

The Bantu got to South Africa around 900 AD, by that time Europe was already fighting each other under feudal states.

What surprises me more is the Swahili, they were already in small states competing with each other like the Maya and Ancient Greeks, plus they could've traded for technology with the Arabs long before Europeans came. Not to mention the effect religion(islam) had on the area.

Ah that makes a lot of sense. My only guess for the Swahili is that it was almost treated as a colony by the Arab traders in a sense and they might have purposely kept it behind. I've never read anything in depth on how the Slave trade actually affected the area.

 

[TheLastOne36]

Ah that makes a lot of sense. My only guess for the Swahili is that it was almost treated as a colony by the Arab traders in a sense and they might have purposely kept it behind. I've never read anything in depth on how the Slave trade actually affected the area.

Possibly.

By the way, if any of you might find this interesting...

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=8261689&postcount=596

Basically i'm making a map of Africa how the borders should be aligning each nation/group of people in Africa as their own state.

 

[bombshoo]

Possibly.

By the way, if any of you might find this interesting...

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=8261689&postcount=596

Basically i'm making a map of Africa how the borders should be aligning each nation/group of people in Africa as their own state.

Very very cool. It is nice to finally see some interest in Africa besides as a European Colony here. Having recently had to deal with/draw a lot of the tribes/states for my Imperialism NES it is interesting to see how they actually match up to this day somewhat.

It is also nice to see that Eritrea is fairly straight forward (despite all they had to go through for it)