New UK anti-terrorism measures

[jackelgull]

Would you trust a toddler to understand and pass on those subtleties?

Would you expect a toddler to understand religion on any level, except as "something my parents think is really important"?

 

[Samson]

Would you expect a toddler to understand religion on any level, except as "something my parents think is really important"?

Well, understand is s pretty strong word, but I can quite imagine a toddler (we are talking 3 or 4 I guess) hearing "Evil people go to hell" and possibly at a quite separate time "People who do not believe X go to hell" and saying at nursery "People who do not believe X are evil and go to hell".

 

[Traitorfish]

Yet another thing to rub in the faces of "No" voters, I guess.

The spiteful smugness almost makes up for the fact that we have to keep living in this dumb country.

 

[jackelgull]

I'm confused on how this has anything to do with the No voters?

 

[Traitorfish]

Ah, getting a bit provincial , there, I suppose: the cliché is that Yes voters blame every bad thing to come out of Westminster, such as this Draconian legislation, on No voters for keeping us chained to a sinking ship.

 

[Kyriakos]

Yet another thing to rub in the faces of "No" voters, I guess.

The spiteful smugness almost makes up for the fact that we have to keep living in this dumb country.

So, in our own timeline who is the analogous Walder Frey responsible for the North staying in the fold of the Seven Westminsters?

 

[Civ'ed]

So, in our own timeline who is the analogous Walder Frey responsible for the North staying in the fold of the Seven Westminsters?

Gordon "Ramsay Bolton" Brown, presumably

 

[Kyriakos]

Gordon Brown, texture like Sun's?

 

[Aleksey_aka_al]

DEMOCRACY™!

 

[Quintillus]

That's ridiculous. A blatant over-reaction, and security theater. If someone's legitimately suspicious, then it may be a good idea to report it to authorities. Targeting toddlers as the suspicious group, however, is ridiculous.

What may be a good idea is to advise that if kids indicate that their parents, say, agree with such-and-such terrorist and hope to emulate them soon, then that may be worth reporting on. But due to concern about what the parents might do, not the toddlers! Provided they're being raised in an integrated society, most of the toddlers won't grow up to have radical views even if their parents do. That's the reason a lot of white supremacists raise their kids in the middle of nowhere in Idaho and other isolated areas - so they aren't exposed to other views. By virtue of being in public schools, these kids are being exposed to other views.

Now if they're in high school and talking seriously about their plans to fly off to Syria next week and join ISIS? That would raise an eyebrow. But we're talking about 4-year-olds here.

Edit: I remember what else I was thinking when reading the article - it was with regards to the possibility of engendering distrust. I agree that's a legitimate concern. IMO campaigns in the past like Stranger Danger have probably done society more harm than good - imbuing distrust for very little benefit - and I could see this being in the same category.

Soon, England will be 100% Sunni! Never again will the rain ever be spotted there.

Sounds like a good plan for what I should do in my EU4 game. I've already taken five or six English provinces. Since I have Humanist ideas, I'd planned to just let them remain Protestant, but I could probably swing at least 50% of England being Sunni without too much difficulty, and if I do that 100%'s a nice stretch goal.

 

[Flying Pig]

I don't think anyone's actually specified that it's the toddlers under suspicion - indeed, a lot of the opposition to this plan is that it's a not-so-subtle way of getting them to inform on their parents.

 

[Grisu]

It's not exactly unexpected that these guys abuse the tragedy in Paris to further their ridiculous plans such as these...Also: Ban encrypted chats...

 

[Mise]

The examples that the article gave seem pretty common-sense to me: it's indirectly giving the teachers the job of reporting it when they know a crime (ie inciting religious hatred) is being carried out in a place:



If the religious school is teaching things like that, it's actually breaking the law. So there's a gem of reasonable practice in there somewhere, I think. We certainly say that teachers have a duty to report it when they think that children are being abused, and I think radicalisation of that sort isn't all that different from physical or emotional abuse.

Good post as usual. There's clearly more to this than "lol toddlers r terrorists let's arrest them".

 

[gay_Aleks]

It's not exactly unexpected that these guys abuse the tragedy in Paris to further their ridiculous plans such as these...Also: Ban encrypted chats...

You know, these people are far, far more dangerous to the "free expression of speech" as you call it than a thousand crazy bombers bent on shooting the brains out of caricaturists or ramming planes into phallic towers. They're subtle; they are bidding their time, and when the time is right.. They strike.

Man, I sound like Sydney Sheldon. That is certainly not healthy.

 

[jackelgull]

This is why USA#1

 

[Grisu]

This is why USA#1

*cough* PATRIOT act *chough*

 

[jackelgull]

*cough* PATRIOT act *chough*

Shhh, we don't talk about that.

 

[gay_Aleks]

Shhh, we don't talk about that.

Don't ask, don't tell, don't draw Mohammed. Easy instructions for easy living!

 

[Farm Boy]

Huh? I know I'm getting old, but isn't that one past its time?

 

[Pangur Bán]

Yet another thing to rub in the faces of "No" voters, I guess.

The spiteful smugness almost makes up for the fact that we have to keep living in this dumb country.

Unfortunately if spiteful smugness were ever fun it will get boring quickly, but our overlords will remain and they'll just get worse with this sort of thing.