New Units??

[Trias]

Ooh, that's a possibility.

The problem is we have slightly conflicting descriptions. One says "buy missionaries" the other says "cheaper missionaries."

Those might refer to different beliefs. Which would make sense, since the enhancer beliefs are supposed to effect the religion enhancing units.

 

[Louis XXIV]

But one could imply mutual exclusivity, the other certainly implies all can build missionaries.

 

[Polar Bear]

I wonder if they have added the Zeppelin? It was important to our history.

 

[Louis XXIV]

Personally, I would nix the biplane bombers and use Zeppelins instead. First, they were very common for WWI. Second, I don't like having to say "Biplane Fighter," "Biplane Bomber," "Fighter," "Bomber." If you get rid of that, it would be "Biplane," "Zeppelin," "Fighter," "Bomber," which is much less of a mouthful.

However, given they added two WWI-era planes, I don't think there's really room for a third.

 

[Uberfrog]

I don't like having to say "Biplane Fighter," "Biplane Bomber," "Fighter," "Bomber."

Well, you're in luck, because the early fighter looks more like a Triplane.

Spoiler :

 

[Deggial]

Zeppelins ... were very common for WWI.

But they were never *so* important for offensive use. Sure, the military leaders *tried*. But as soon as airplanes came to use, the zeppelins were degraded to sitting (well, not really *sitting*, of course) ducks.

Zeppelins still had there use. But mostly for reconnaissance purposes.

(Civ4 zeppelins where very offended, for this reason, by the way. Don't you remember? I couldn't contribute to the discussion, back then. But in the meantime, I visited the zeppelin museum in Friedrichshafen/Germany. Very interesting stuff, if you like zeppelins!)

 

[mitsho]

It's just that Zeppelins seem perfect for the Smoky Skies scenario. And if they create the unit for the scenario and we already have Giant Death Robots...

 

[KrikkitTwo]

It's just that Zeppelins seem perfect for the Smoky Skies scenario. And if they create the unit for the scenario and we already have Giant Death Robots...

Also.. how important were WWI bombers? I'd always heard of the air forces in WWI being almost entirely reconaissance and fighters.

I'd probably go with

WWI... Fighter only
WWII..Fighter+Bomber

~1970s... Jet Fighter+nonStealth Bomber

Current... Stealth Bomber

Basically have 3 of each, but the bombers appear 1 level after the fighters. (which can still shoot up ground units and get the reconnaisance)

 

[Louis XXIV]

But they were never *so* important for offensive use. Sure, the military leaders *tried*. But as soon as airplanes came to use, the zeppelins were degraded to sitting (well, not really *sitting*, of course) ducks.

Zeppelins still had there use. But mostly for reconnaissance purposes.

(Civ4 zeppelins where very offended, for this reason, by the way. Don't you remember? I couldn't contribute to the discussion, back then. But in the meantime, I visited the zeppelin museum in Friedrichshafen/Germany. Very interesting stuff, if you like zeppelins!)

True, they were more important for reconnaissance. Interestingly enough, at least observation balloons weren't actually sitting ducks because they were usually armed to the teeth (it was actually dangerous to attack one head on). Civ5 doesn't have Civ4's recon, so a recon airship wouldn't be applicable.

There was an air raid on London or Paris (I think London) with Airships. Granted, in the grand scheme of things, this wasn't all that useful, but that's what I was thinking of.

BTW, Triplanes? Jesus that's unnecessary. There's a reason we only have one set of wings these days.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

At the time, they didn't have a very good grasp of aerodynamics. They thought more wings = better. Even Baron Von Richthofen was going around expounding on the supreme characteristics of his red Fokker DR.1. They didn't realize that each wing in a stack depletes the lift of the wing above it.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

We know that a wing creates a high pressure area under it, and a low pressure area above it. The high pressure area from one wing interferes with the low pressure area of the other. It helps when you stagger the wings, create different wing lengths, or create wider spaces between them. the reason bi/triplanes work well at low speeds is because the pressure areas are not big or strong enough to interfere at low speeds. Higher speeds creates bigger pressure differences with a higher section and therefore more interference.

 

[SammyKhalifa]

True, they were more important for reconnaissance. Interestingly enough, at least observation balloons weren't actually sitting ducks because they were usually armed to the teeth (it was actually dangerous to attack one head on). Civ5 doesn't have Civ4's recon, so a recon airship wouldn't be applicable.

I was thinking that a zep could be interesting as an alternate animation for scouts.

 

[Deggial]

BTW, Triplanes? Jesus that's unnecessary. There's a reason we only have one set of wings these days.

You think three is too much? Look at this...

 

[Catastrophe90]

People complained that Stealth Bomber animations were too slow. Imagine Zeppelin bombing runs were the thing sloooowly inches forward at a snail's pace... I think that's why they went with the biplane bomber (or Zeppelins could have the same speed as Bombers I guess).

 

[AriochIV]

Zeppelins as bombers in WWI were like SCUD's... they were terror weapons used against civilian targets, too inaccurate and ineffective to be used against military targets. The only advantage of the zeppelin was that it had very long range, and so could be used to terrorize London. The best use of airships was in recon, especially maritime antiship/antisubmarine recon. But they were too vulnerable to bad weather to be really reliable.

Civ V doesn't even have a recon function for aircraft (aside from the promotion adding to the sight range of the base).

 

[AriochIV]

I really hope there are not 3 generations of bombers and fighters. There is simply not enough time in the late industrial and modern era for them. Unless they add so many new techs that the balance of the game (with relations to the timing) is utterly completely revamped.

I am assuming that's exactly what they're going to do, otherwise adding new units in that era would be pointless.

 

[KrikkitTwo]

I also hope that they make some units use oil and some aluminium rather than making oil entirely redundant. At the moment it is too easy to jump to the modern era and skip late industrial if you dont have oil. Doesnt feel right.

Well it might be nice to have a Building that reflects the Economic value of Oil.

Say "Highways" uses 2 Oil, +1 production +1 gold per 2 pop.

That would make a war over oil worthwhile, even if you were fighting it entirely with Aluminum units.

 

[CivilizedPlayer]

I'm hoping one of the new industrial units is another artillery. As it is, the first person to get artillery has a huge advantage, because of the 3 range and indirect fire. It would be much more balanced if the first artillery just got indirect fire, and the second got 3 range. That's just me though.

 

[apocalypse105]

People complained that Stealth Bomber animations were too slow. Imagine Zeppelin bombing runs were the thing sloooowly inches forward at a snail's pace... I think that's why they went with the biplane bomber (or Zeppelins could have the same speed as Bombers I guess).

KIROF REPORTING!!!! Haha I would laugh my ass of if the russians got a unique zaplin and its called kirof airship

 

[Babri]

KIROF REPORTING!!!! Haha I would laugh my ass of if the russians got a unique zaplin and its called kirof airship

U reminded me of old RA2 days.