New Xbox basically kills off used games

[Oruc]

And if you lose the game, you lose it forever. If you lose your computer, you can still get your saves from Steam cloud when you redownload your game one day!

Do you lose alot of games lucky?

 

[Luckymoose]

Do you lose alot of games lucky?

I have lost games, yes. I had them stolen, broken, burned in a fire, etc.

 

[NBAfan]

In what way?

Because they have sold their soul over to teh evilz Steamz monster!

Anyone that says Paradox is going down the tubes is clueless about the company.

 

[God of Kings]

...there is also bandwidth limits as well.

Sure it is great to be able to download the games you bought whenever you want, but there are still many people who have to live with Internet bandwidth limits, some being as small as 40GB per month.

 

[Zelig]

In what way?

Well, their games have never been much fun, but they're hardly getting any worse.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

I dunno, if you have a respectable internet line, but not a super fast one.... I for example would much rather have a disk to install from rather than hit purchase/download then come back in a day when it might be done. If it doesn't then subsequently need to patch for the better part of a day again.

Just about every physical copy of a PC game I've bought in the last 5 years or so has required an update be downloaded from the internet upon first installation before you play it.

 

[Farm Boy]

Just about every physical copy of a PC game I've bought in the last 5 years or so has required an update be downloaded from the internet upon first installation before you play it.

If it's single player I don't let it connect. I firewall the crap outta that thang yo. Honestly, if the game is hard for me to access, and it's hard for me to update, and it's never a complete product because they keep releasing microtransactions that you have to keep buying if you want access to the multiplayer community then it's starting to hit the criteria required for me to seriously think about acquiring it through non-commercial channels.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

That's usually a bad idea to not update a game when you get it. You'd be surprised how many single player games ship with game breaking bugs.

 

[Farm Boy]

That's usually a bad idea to not update a game when you get it. You'd be surprised how many single player games ship with game breaking bugs.

I never buy super new anymore because of that so that I get to read reviews. I agree that at release anymore a lot of games are totally inadequate products. If it's shipped/sold as an incomplete game because the company is too greedy/lazy/incompetent to actually make a game that, you know, works: the best level of effort I'm going to put into playing it is off a torrent, and probably not even then.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

He's the really crappy part though:

Even old games manufactured well after the bugs are found and fixed ship without the updates. It's usually impossible to tell if this is the case before you buy it.

 

[Farm Boy]

Well yea, some products are shipped with a massive dearth of quality. I was actually proud how fast the community widely ripped off the massive pile of poo that was the port of an amazing game- Dark Souls. Hopefully the developer took note that a lot of PC gamers wanted to buy their game but not if a the baseline effort to make it actually playable on that platform wasn't spent before accepting cash for it. Dark Souls 2 is slated for release on the PC now. Maybe they'll actually make it have functional controls without needing to download and install multiple programs written by the same people that hacked it. There's a pivotal problem really. If the only people making the game actually playable are the ones that are stealing it... I don't know what to say in favor of actually purchasing that game.

 

[Maniacal]

If it's single player I don't let it connect. I firewall the crap outta that thang yo. Honestly, if the game is hard for me to access, and it's hard for me to update, and it's never a complete product because they keep releasing microtransactions that you have to keep buying if you want access to the multiplayer community then it's starting to hit the criteria required for me to seriously think about acquiring it through non-commercial channels.

I'm not sure what games you are buying, but they sound like garbage f2pay MMORPGs and not singleplayer games.

 

[Farm Boy]

I'm not sure what games you are buying, but they sound like garbage f2pay MMORPGs and not singleplayer games.

Actually that was directed at least partially at the Civ series or really any game with a multiplayer community that gravitates to the latest microtranssexpansion.

If I was playing a Massively Multiplayer Online RolePlaying Game I'm pretty sure that I will be aware of it's not having single player game status. ;p Also directed at any number of butchered porting releases. Or console gaming in general.

 

[Loppan Torkel]

Well yea, some products are shipped with a massive dearth of quality. I was actually proud how fast the community widely ripped off the massive pile of poo that was the port of an amazing game- Dark Souls. Hopefully the developer took note that a lot of PC gamers wanted to buy their game but not if a the baseline effort to make it actually playable on that platform wasn't spent before accepting cash for it. Dark Souls 2 is slated for release on the PC now. Maybe they'll actually make it have functional controls without needing to download and install multiple programs written by the same people that hacked it. There's a pivotal problem really. If the only people making the game actually playable are the ones that are stealing it... I don't know what to say in favor of actually purchasing that game.

I bought that game, supported the devs, had a good time with the game and now, they're hopefully going to make a better job on the PC version. I was happy they released it for the PC at all. No huge bugs that couldn't be fixed either.

 

[Mise]

I'd imagine the combat system would be difficult to replicate on a keyboard and mouse anyway. It can't be much fun without a controller.

 

[Farm Boy]

Being able to remap your keys would have been nice. Barring that, having sensibly picked the keys which you couldn't remap would have been nice. Making the un-remapable camera control of the mouse actually behave like a mouse rather than a massively floaty analog-stick-like-thing-thatjusthappenstoactuallybeamouse would have been nice. Having the included resolution slider actually work would have been nice. Having the game not drop fps horribly on overpowered systems would have been nice. Having the multiplayer not linked to Games for Windows Live would have been nice. What was actually nice? Fans fixing all that crap when the developers didn't(well ok, you can't fix Games for Windows Live. That's beyond hope).

 

[Maniacal]

There are a lot of things the dark souls dev could have done to make their port less crap that would have taken very little time, especially seeing how modders came out with a lot of fixes within a day of its release.

Actually that was directed at least partially at the Civ series or really any game with a multiplayer community that gravitates to the latest microtranssexpansion.

Civ5 doesn't have any microtransactions let alone ones you must have. It has a few DLCs yes, and their pricing isn't great either, but they are nowhere near being microtransactions that are required to keep playing.

While there are certainly some games that match your description, your post really doesn't fit in with this discussion as it pretty much just applying to bad games that you don't need to care about in the first place (ie primarily mobiel and f2p games). If you want to discuss microtransactions and DLC, you'll need to be far more specifc.

Besides, some games have a lot of great patches and additional content for free still, like CD Projekt Red's The Witcher games. They redid much of both games with new content, fixes and so on for the FREE Enhanced Editions.

 

[Luckymoose]

You can also just plug in a USB controller for the majority of modern PC games and they'll auto-recognize and map the controls. I do it for some of my Steam games with my Xbox controller.

 

[bhsup]

Why in the blue blazes would your cripple yourself by using a console controller when you have the vastly superior keyboard/mouse combo right there on your PC?

Edit: obligatory...

Spoiler :

 

[Zelig]

I'd imagine the combat system would be difficult to replicate on a keyboard and mouse anyway. It can't be much fun without a controller.

360 controllers have awesome PC support, they work wirelessly, and pretty much every modern game that's controller-appropriate has built-in proper mappings and support for it.

Why in the blue blazes would your cripple yourself by using a console controller when you have the vastly superior keyboard/mouse combo right there on your PC?

Because controllers are pretty obviously better for some genres. Shooters and RTS/TBS games are better with mice, pretty much everything else is better with a controller.