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No Gandhi in Civilization 6?

Discussion in 'Civ6 - General Discussions' started by Alex Khan, Jul 9, 2016.

  1. Tsuchinoko

    Tsuchinoko Warlord

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    She was one of the leaders for India in Civ II I believe, so she's certainly not an impossible choice.
     
  2. Hakan-i Cihan

    Hakan-i Cihan Emperor

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    Yes, the Great Wall is also on the video. But it changed from being a wonder to a unique improvement. It could happen to Gandhi too. Also in the video Gandhi is following up Mona Lisa (Leonardo Da Vinci) and painting of van Gogh. After Gandhi painting of french revolution (another great artist) shows up and then the airplane of the wright brothers (great engineer). If this sequence does mean something, Gandhi is summed up between great people. Also the text at the moment when Gandhi's picture show up: "towards something greater". Just before that: "We inspire, always". The word "greater" could mean something here hinting to great people.

    On the other hand we see also the empire state building in the video. For me it does not seem obvious it would be in the game.
     
  3. Metecury

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    He is an iconic part of the civ series and contributes to the character of the game, I would be sad to se him go. Anyway if we are getting multiple leaders as some have speculated based on the ua and uu linked to leaders on top of the civ specific ones, you might partially get your wish.
     
  4. Louis XXIV

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    Too close to the 1960s was more true when the first game came out 25 years ago, though. I mean, Civ1 had Stalin who died 38 years before the game's release. Indira Gandhi died 32 years before this one was released. So we're at least getting there.

    Before I learned about the bug, I honestly thought that was the explanation.
     
  5. Morningcalm

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    Indira Gandhi is an interesting idea, but she was hated by her countrymen if I recall. Her iron-fisted ways were quite divisive, and her decision in one particular incident to order troops to quell a rebellion directly resulted in her assassination.

    She doesn't have quite the same acclaim or renown as Ashoka or Akbar either, unfortunately. I suspect if they want female leaders, they will look elsewhere. There are female leaders not included in Civ previously that could work for the Mayans, the Koreans and maybe other nations too.
     
  6. shyPiano

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    I would agree with you there. But then I remembered Maria I of Portugal. :sad:
     
  7. Morningcalm

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    Maria was considered a good ruler before she went mad, dismissing a nasty Secretary of State, encouraging a flourishing of arts and construction, having Portugal join the League of Armed Neutrality to keep Portugal out of the Napoleonic Wars, etc. Maria I was also greatly admired by historic scholars, something which is not quite true of Indira Gandhi, who experienced intense criticism during her time as prime minister (including notable criticism by noted author Salman Rushdie). See here for concrete examples of some of the things Indira did to warrant criticism (among these was her corruption): https://www.quora.com/Why-do-some-people-hate-Indira-Gandhi

    Certainly Maria I was not the best choice for Portugal one could imagine, but certainly she was a better leader choice than Indira Gandhi. Despite her madness, Maria I lacks the nation-tearing controversy having Indira Gandhi in the game would cause.
     
  8. SMcM

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    Fairly sure it will be Gandhi as leader of India gain, but I would be thrilled if was Ashoka instead. He ruled an area far larger than modern India, whilst Gandhi was never a leader or a policeman, just a protester. He makes as much sense as a leader for India as Joan of Arc would for France.
     
  9. Willie5000

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    Exactly - her handling of the Punjab Rebellions, largley due to her stifling of democracy, led to her being assassinated by her own bodyguards, who were Sikhs. Perhaps on paper it would seem like a good idea to have Indira Ghandi as the leader, but it would probably go about as well as having Margaret Thatcher lead the English civilization.

    Besides, India does have a healthy dose of great female rulers throughout their history:
    Rudrama Devi was one, but she never ruled over a unified India...
     
  10. Mustakrakish

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    Very very good points, I'm sold. Plus why would they show a lone leader in the teaser trailer? And not an ingame interpretation at that. No Ghandi hype initiates, woooo :D

    EDIT: I don't want to see him as a unique improvement though...

    We know this is not a criteria for firaxis. Ghandi never ruled India.
     
  11. sugerdady87

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    I agree with everything Krajzen said and I agree with your statement. I don't understand why is this Gandhi use-nuke attribute fun for some people. I personally find it idiotic.
     
  12. WillowBrook

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    Joan of Arc was the leader of France in civ 3. I'm not saying that makes sense, but it has been done before.
     
  13. Zaarin

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    Arguably, Jeanne d'Arc actually makes more sense than Gandhi, since she at least (nominally and briefly) led France's army. Still far from ideal, but Gandhi didn't even do that.
     
  14. Civciv5

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    If you really want a woman who actually ruled India, well, there was Nur Jahan, who was Empress regent (not regnant) of the Mughal Empire for quite some time.

    If they're really desperate, Mumtaz Mahal is also an option, she wielded considerable influence during her husband Shah Jahan's reign.
     
  15. Thormodr

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    Well said. The Gandhi with nukes joke got stale a long time ago. It's time to retire the gag and use a real Indian leader.
     
  16. darko82

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    The trailer does not show in-game footage at all - including Teddy, so this is not a valid argument :p

    So what? It's just a game, in which we actually need some fanatics, too. Unless you prefer Stalin or Hitler :lol:

    This argument is just funny. Was Genghis Khan etc. a nice person? This is not the criteria by which the leaders are chosen.

    Shaka is very nice. All leaders nice to each other. What a nice game, so sweet :vomit:
    But he was a leader of Indian independence movement, which was enough to put him into the game.

    Oh, that's why you do not want him in the game. That's the reason - you despise him. Well, if he was a nice person... :lol:

    You should check other leaders from the game. I wonder how many of their barbarian sins you can find :lol:

    Such arguments for a game, which actually needs villains and warmongers to be fun is a bit ridiculous. Yeah, he was bad; and we need "good angel leaders" :crazyeye:

    Actually, all the things you mentioned make him interesting to put into the game - to fill a gap and give some variety. That's what makes Civ games feel more real. Those things should also be takien into account in the game.

    Following such arguments and analogy, we would have to remove fascism, most leaders and other stuff from the game, which would be ridiculous.
     
  17. skyclad

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    I always prefered playing Asoka instead of Gandi in Civ4, I say bring him back! :)
     
  18. Schuesseled

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    Perhaps Gandhi will now only appear as a great general
     
  19. Mustakrakish

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    darko82, Khan is fun, many "not nice" leaders as you say, are in fact fun and interesting, Ghandi is just annoying, plain and simple. Deal with it. Comparing him to Genghis and other great conquerors is beyond ridiculous.
     
  20. Felis Renidens

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    What I will prefer to play depends on the bonuses. If they make an interesting play I wouldn't mind his sorry face. Civ4 Asoka was more fun than Gandhi. Civ3 Gandhi was OK as a leader. Civ5 is terrible.
     

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