NOTW LIII - Return to Ciretako [Game Thread]

[spaceman98]

Return to Ciretako - Night 5 - Defences Down

Spoiler :

Link to video.

Flip Hero's Log: "Hahaha, I shot it, I shot it! It’s been filled with so many holes there’s no way it can survive. . . M, Me neither . . . help . . . send help . . ."

----------------------------------------------------------------------​

Backwards Logic (an ironic name for a machine), was applying an upgrade to himself when he heard the footsteps of impending doom. "Calling reinforcements. Requesting backup." Backwards didn't have to wait long for the answer.
"Denied. Chance of success minimal. Suggested procedure escape."

But Backwards couldn't move, not while the upgrade was applying itself. And besides, he was a turret, he couldn't move anyway. He charged his remaining active lasers in preparation for what was to come. The.... thing was approaching at a slow enough speed that his sensors could lock on before he'd be noticed. Firing his lasers, Backwards felt would would amount to triumph, if machines could actually process it. An unnatural scream followed by silence. Another burst fired but this time there was no hit. His scanners could no longer locate his enemy. His gun fired randomly in every direction in an attempt to stave it off but it was no use. Backwards couldn't see anything. He didn't see the blast destroy his processors and guns and his circuitry into tiny pieces.

​

Summary: Backwards Logic has been killed! He was a

Spoiler :

Power Turret!

There is a gun available for voting.

Alive 11/25:
2. Spaceman98
4. Jarrema - Lieutenant
5. Winston Hughes
6. Choxorn
8. BSmith
13. Askthepizzaguy
18. Arakhor
19. Azzaman333
21. Riedquat
22. Bladescape
23. Coyosis

Dead:
24. Johnhughthom, Flip Hero, lynched D1.
14. Takhisis, Lurk, killed N1.
25. Autolycus, Turret, lynched D2.
1. Zack,Reaver, killed N2.
17. Sprig, Annihilator, killed N2.
10. Buddhafish, Reaper Drone, lynched D3.
20. Double A, Mother, killed N3.
16. Kennigit, Soldier, lynched D4.
12. SouthernKing, Mother, wogged D4.
7. KingMorgan - Lieutenant, Elite, killed N4.
11. Legato Endless, Phaze, killed N4.
9. edse, Battle Door, lynched D5.
15. Kaiser Electric, Mode, wogged D5.
3. Backwards Logic, Power Turret, killed N5.

[timer=4/24/2015 10:00 AM +10:00; Day Phase Over][/timer]

Guys, we've all forgotten something important: There's a gun up for vote this phase. Any ideas what to do with it? So far I don't think we've seen a single person who could use the **** things.

Like I said: I've been just following other people and not paying enough attention. I can't even remember why I said some of the things I said.

I'm just a lazy lurker. That's all.

Enough said. Town Choxorn is usually better than this, from my experience.

 

[Visorslash]

Tally:

1 BSmith - Azza
3 Chox - Arak, space, Coy
3 Azza - BSmith, Winston, blade
1 Space - Jar
1 Jar - Chox

Gun:
Literally No one.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Why do you even care about the gun? Gun doesn't do anything. I wasn't even told if it raised my strength or not.

I say no one votes for the gun at all. Anyone who does who isn't lock clear is getting lynched tomorrow.

 

[bladescape]

I replaced in yesterday and I'm top poster.

Seriously, where did everyone's talkativeness go this game? You'd think with two known dead hostiles people would be more energetic and enthusiastic.

To be fair, you generally post a lot anyways.

Something we need to think about alongside everything else: Who is the Terror? I actually see Jarrema as a possible PTK more and more as I read back.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

I expect I was supposed to figure out who can use the gun, and I expect most villagers cannot use the gun.

I have no data, all game. Verarde didn't do squat with his scan and I have no results off of 1 night.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Arakhor and Coyosis feel great, Spaceman does not. I also don't feel like spaceman is bussing choxorn if they're a unit, because choxorn should at least be voting for Azzaman in that example. Choxorn should be giving a bigger defense here if he's evil.

BSmith, Blade, and Winston voting for Azza feels like the winner today.

Terminate Azzaman unit.

 

[azzaman333]

Either choxorn or azzaman, insert other name into the pairing. What do you have.

Jarrema/azzaman, choxorn? Why?

Azzaman, who is choxorn's partner? Spaceman? BSmith?

I think Choxorn is more likely to be PFK than Flip Hero's team.

I think that BSmith's likely partner would be either bladescape or Coyosis, but haven't analysed their posts to see their interactions with him.

Jarrema and Spaceman feels like a scum distraction.

Don't have a read on you.

Arakhor seems more likely town than not.

Still don't like what I perceived to be PIS from Reidquat but I seem to be alone in that reading.

I think Winston is a townie, albeit misguided in his pursuit of me.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think Choxorn is more likely to be PFK than Flip Hero's team.

Then he would be a superior lynch to yourself.

I think that BSmith's likely partner would be either bladescape or Coyosis, but haven't analysed their posts to see their interactions with him.

Show me the analysis, there's still plenty of time today.

Jarrema and Spaceman feels like a scum distraction.

Elaborate.

Don't have a read on you.

Everyone should have a solid read on me by now, right or wrong.

Arakhor seems more likely town than not.

He's consensus, yes.

Still don't like what I perceived to be PIS from Reidquat but I seem to be alone in that reading.

Show me more, be more persuasive. I didn't follow it the first time.

I think Winston is a townie, albeit misguided in his pursuit of me.

Also seems to be consensus.

 

[azzaman333]

RE: Spaceman and Jarrema. I think they've been solid contributors and what they've said hasn't rung any alarm bells. Spaceman seems to only be a case because he's a roleblocker and Jarrema seems to only be a case because his role sounds too easy to fake. They're meta-cases, trying to figure out the setup, rather than trying to find scum.

RE: atpg. I know you're capable of posting in this manner regardless of alignment. There's only been 1 full day with you playing and that's not enough for me to say with any confidence what your alignment might be.

RE: Reidquat. IMO, the logical assumption would be that Double A would not have desired the gun if he already had an upgrade. Particularly knowing that Buddhafish had died the previous day, thus there was a perfectly reasonable explanation that one would come from each. I find it very strange that the automatic assumption was both were Double A's, and that it was stated with certainty that they were both Double A's.

I'll get to the re-reads of bladescape and Coyosis later tonight.

 

[Arakhor]

Spaceman seems to only be a case because he's a roleblocker and Jarrema seems to only be a case because his role sounds too easy to fake. They're meta-cases, trying to figure out the setup, rather than trying to find scum.

Winston’s case against Spaceman was that two town role-blockers seems unlikely and that Spaceman’s alleged targets are now all conveniently dead or unable to prove that they weren’t role-blocked. That’s slightly more of a case than just “trying to figure out the set-up”.

 

[azzaman333]

Winston’s case against Spaceman was that two town role-blockers seems unlikely and that Spaceman’s alleged targets are now all conveniently dead or unable to prove that they weren’t role-blocked. That’s slightly more of a case than just “trying to figure out the set-up”.

That's still a pretty poor case IMO.

 

[Riedquat]

RE: Reidquat. IMO, the logical assumption would be that Double A would not have desired the gun if he already had an upgrade.

Why?? I don't know what the heck the upgrades do neither the guns, why is logical to assume scum wouldn't want all the stuff?

Particularly knowing that Buddhafish had died the previous day, thus there was a perfectly reasonable explanation that one would come from each. I find it very strange that the automatic assumption was both were Double A's, and that it was stated with certainty that they were both Double A's.

My certainty resulted to be just a dubious guess, it's true I didn't think about Buddhafish, but others said they reached same conclusion too, so I start to wonder if it is my supposed PIS bothering you or it is your own PIS...

Belated OMGUS Vote: azzaman

 

[Arakhor]

That's still a pretty poor case IMO.

It’s hardly the most compelling case, I grant you, but your trying to dismiss it as being an example of Winston not scum-hunting properly could easily be seen as your attempting to defend your scum-partner (in this case, Spaceman).

If I had taken an action on Night One, it would have been really easy to know if Spaceman is lying or not, but unfortunately, I did not.

 

[azzaman333]

Why?? I don't know what the heck the upgrades do neither the guns, why is logical to assume scum wouldn't want all the stuff?



My certainty resulted to be just a dubious guess, it's true I didn't think about Buddhafish, but others said they reached same conclusion too, so I start to wonder if it is my supposed PIS bothering you or it is your own PIS...

Belated OMGUS Vote: azzaman

Unless every other scum member also held an item, it makes more sense to give it to someone not holding an item so they can immediately use it. The certainty in your statement is what I have issue with when IMO the more likely option was the alternative.

It’s hardly the most compelling case, I grant you, but your trying to dismiss it as being an example of Winston not scum-hunting properly could easily be seen as your attempting to defend your scum-partner (in this case, Spaceman).

If I had taken an action on Night One, it would have been really easy to know if Spaceman is lying or not, but unfortunately, I did not.

My point is it's a weak case based on trying to meta the setup. It's not an attempt to discredit WH's efforts, merely highlighting the weak logic that the case is built upon. I haven't gotten any scum tells from spaceman's posts and he's been fairly active in thread, so I'd expect a case could be built with a bit more meat to it if he were actually scum. Could be proven wrong, but right now it feels like a distraction.

 

[BSmith1068]

My point is it's a weak case based on trying to meta the setup. It's not an attempt to discredit WH's efforts, merely highlighting the weak logic that the case is built upon. I haven't gotten any scum tells from spaceman's posts and he's been fairly active in thread, so I'd expect a case could be built with a bit more meat to it if he were actually scum. Could be proven wrong, but right now it feels like a distraction.

I agree with this. I have seen nothing either public or private that leads me to believe that spaceman is scummy. And BL did seem to trust him as he put the two of us in contact in private.

I would like the gun today. I had it before and I saw fit to give it to someone I trusted (BL). I will do the same this time. I cannot use the gun myself. If I receive it I will accept any and all recommendations/requests on who to give it to. I also don’t want to leave it up to one last minute vote that could be easily manipulated.

 

[azzaman333]

Not getting good vibes from bladescape. A lot of posts about how he will/won't be around, which I really don't like. Was on KaiserElectric and no one else until he was a day away from being WoG'd. Has sat his votes on me since.

However, the two posts I think are most scummy have been
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=13772294#post13772294

Do we know what happens if you have a higher strength than the killer? That's the only thing I can think of right now.

and

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=13787108#post13787108

To be fair, you generally post a lot anyways.

Something we need to think about alongside everything else: Who is the Terror? I actually see Jarrema as a possible PTK more and more as I read back.

With the first post, it sounds like scum fishing for information about why their kill failed. With the second one, it sounds like scum trying to find those who aren't on their team since fake hunting is rather difficult.

I could support a bladescape lynch, but I think it would be a null tell on BSmith (or vice versa) as they have not interacted in the thread outside of a single post by bladescape going through 4 possible suspects as prompted by atpg.

 

[BSmith1068]

unvote; vote: choxorn. Azzaman’s continued efforts in analyzing the thread even in the face of being lynched is giving me pause.

 

[azzaman333]

Coyosis has been pretty insistent on Jarrema. I'm inclined to believe she is town, as it would take a brave scummer to hunt someone perceived to be town on such a consistent basis.

Again, I think BSmith as scum is a null tell on Coyosis and vice versa.

I've reached the conclusion that BSmith's likeliest scum partners are unable to be derived from the thread because his contributions have been so minimal. Most likely partners are those he's been in intimate contact with in private which is information not available to me.

 

[BSmith1068]

I've reached the conclusion that BSmith's likeliest scum partners are unable to be derived from the thread because he doesn’t have any.

 

[azzaman333]

unvote; vote: bladescape

Against my better judgement, I'm going to trust that BSmith has been actively contributing in private and put forward bladescape as an alternative to choxorn. The two posts I highlighted feel very off to me.

I've reached the conclusion that BSmith's likeliest scum partners are unable to be derived from the thread because he doesn’t have any.

Flawed logic. Participation in the thread gives light to plausible partners regardless of whether they have a town or scum read. While I can't confidently say anyone is a likely scum partner of yours, I similarly can't confidently say anyone an unlikely scum partner either.