NOTW LIII - Return to Ciretako [Game Thread]

Winston Hughes said:
For what it's worth, the final PM that Backwards Logic sent to me last night (in which he correctly predicted his own demise) included a strong defence of BSmith, who he said had been acting very townie behind the scenes.

BL also detailed his suspicions of four players. Two of those, I'm not going to discuss here, because I'm currently assessing the strength of the claims they've made to me in private.

The first of the other two is azzaman, who has flatly refused to tell me anything about himself. I don't like to make threats in this kind of case, but it's a simple fact that I know enough about the roles here now that someone I know nothing about is inherently suspicious, and a definite candidate for the lynch.

The other is spaceman, who is the claimed roleblocker I have been talking to. I've held off from going public with his identity until now, but the truth is that I'm not at all comfortable with either his roleclaim, or the choices he claims to have made during the game, and it's impossible for me to fully express why he should be a major suspect without revealing that info. In any case, if he were innocent, he'd probably have been the scum's guess for the second roleblocker, if they cared enough to think about it.

I should be clear that the above pair are a long way from being my only suspects at this stage of proceedings. It's just that the first is someone I need to know more about, and the latter is someone I want more eyes on.
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Azzaman is suspicious for not saying anything about his role, I am suspicious for saying things about my role. Ok. :p
 
spaceman98 said:
Azzaman is suspicious for not saying anything about his role, I am suspicious for saying things about my role. Ok. :p
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Classic wolf team play, that is. One guy says stuff, the other doesn't. Seen it a thousand times. :p

But, seriously, you can't deny you've got form in the fake claim game.

Still, at least you didn't try a survivor claim this time around. ;)
 
vote: Spaceman. At least for now
 
Jarrema's play has been bugging me pretty much the whole game and I wish I could give a whole reasonable argument so s/he could rebut me but all I got is my gut and that's what I'm going with:

Jarrema
 
If only I could vote for all three of spaceman, azzaman, and Jarrema- they're probably all trying to kill us.

I don't have much time to think about which one to vote for at the moment, so I'll hold off for now.
 
choxorn said:
If only I could vote for all three of spaceman, azzaman, and Jarrema- they're probably all trying to kill us.

I don't have much time to think about which one to vote for at the moment, so I'll hold off for now.
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I disapprove of this post. :mad::cringe: If you think they're all guilty, pick one arbitrarily and vote there, so you don't close the Day without a vote!
 
Choxorn's read of Jarrema is throwing me.

It seems wrong, but it also seems odd that he'd specifically call out Jarrema if Jarrema is not going to be lynched today.

I understand suspicion on azzaman and spaceman. I'd like for some elaboration on the Jarrema read, especially since I've filed him away as a villager and haven't explored the alternative because it seemed so unlikely.
 
Lack of even a placeholder vote reads poorly, though. Noncommittal at this stage of the game, even for a placeholder vote on one of your top suspects?
 
Askthepizzaguy said:
Lack of even a placeholder vote reads poorly, though. Noncommittal at this stage of the game, even for a placeholder vote on one of your top suspects?
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Funny you should say this when I was just coming back in to unvote: vote: Choxorn because the more I thought about that post the less I liked it.

(In utterly out of game news, I may be getting a new car tonight. We Shall See.)
 
Askthepizzaguy said:
I'd like for some elaboration on the Jarrema read, especially since I've filed him away as a villager and haven't explored the alternative because it seemed so unlikely.
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What has Jarrema done to make it seem so unlikely, though?

From his network, Sprig and KingMorgan got killed, and Double A turned out to be scum. I'm not saying he's a villain, but he's certainly not cleared, and there's a loose end I've been chasing that could link him to spaceman.

The gist of it is that, if spaceman is lying about his roleblocks, he was taking a risk saying that he blocked Arakhor N1. That is, unless he knew that the latter hadn't attempted an action where the block would be apparent. According to Arakhor, the only player he told about his ability was Jarrema.

These are spaceman's action claims:

N1 - Blocked Arakhor
N2 - Blocked Double A (scum)
N3 - No order submitted
N4 - Blocked edse (already claimed no active ability, so vanilla or PFK from a scum perspective)
N5 - Upgrading

Also, I begin to ask myself: why hasn't spaceman been more suspicious of me? The idea of there being two town roleblockers is blatantly questionable, and I've been lynching townies all over the place. Through all of our interactions, I never felt like he was really pushing back at me.

But, for all that, I'm going to stick my vote on azzaman, because he's had enough time to cook up a plausible cover story by now. :deal:
 
Coyosis said:
(In utterly out of game news, I may be getting a new car tonight. We Shall See.)
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(*Sends good luck binary messages*)

On other notes:

I'm sitting here perfectly fine with a list of people I believe town looking nice, and then Winston posts and I suddenly get paranoid.

I've had Jarrema/Spaceman as town for half the game, but I'm going to revisit those reads in a moment. And by a moment I mean 'a few hours' because I'm still waking up with my coffee, then I need to take a shower and drive somewhere. Once I get back I'll do something on it.
 
Winston Hughes said:
What has Jarrema done to make it seem so unlikely, though?

From his network, Sprig and KingMorgan got killed, and Double A turned out to be scum. I'm not saying he's a villain, but he's certainly not cleared, and there's a loose end I've been chasing that could link him to spaceman.

The gist of it is that, if spaceman is lying about his roleblocks, he was taking a risk saying that he blocked Arakhor N1. That is, unless he knew that the latter hadn't attempted an action where the block would be apparent. According to Arakhor, the only player he told about his ability was Jarrema.

These are spaceman's action claims:

N1 - Blocked Arakhor
N2 - Blocked Double A (scum)
N3 - No order submitted
N4 - Blocked edse (already claimed no active ability, so vanilla or PFK from a scum perspective)
N5 - Upgrading

Also, I begin to ask myself: why hasn't spaceman been more suspicious of me? The idea of there being two town roleblockers is blatantly questionable, and I've been lynching townies all over the place. Through all of our interactions, I never felt like he was really pushing back at me.

But, for all that, I'm going to stick my vote on azzaman, because he's had enough time to cook up a plausible cover story by now. :deal:
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Is it possible that your scum? Certainly. However, you quickly got in touch with Jarrema (whome I've trusted as pro-town so far based on his early (and ill-fated) network), and you've provided a lot of information, so I've allowed myself to assume the best, for the sake of potential benifit. Backwards also seemed to trust you when I asked him about you. Multiple town-sided roleblockers are not unknown in role and kill heavy games, and my other suspects (most notably Choxorn and Reidquat) have been (and with chox's latest post, continue to be) much more suspicious. Azzaman as a lynch is fine (his contributions have been lackluster), but I think chox is better.

I'm staying on Chox. I confirm what Winston said about BSmith's likely innocence.

I have to agree now that I think about it that Jarrema's scan is something easy to fake. After all, no one organic "scanned" as non-organic would be likely to take the risk to come forward ;)

Are any of Jarrema's old network still alive to vouche for him?
 
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