NOTW LVI: The Demon Council [Game Thread]

[Visorslash]

I'm pretty happy with confirming most of the spaceman wagon as town.

 

[Visorslash]

Arakhor Winston or Jarrema today.

 

[Arakhor]

Why me?

 

[Visorslash]

1: So, would you like the wine in front of me, or the wine in front of you?

2: My opinion on the Jarrema lynch is that I don't understand why a bunch of people are suddenly following you on it.

There is no need to defend Jarrema in this scenario unless he is mafia.

unvote: vote: Visorslash

this wagon is bad

lolspaceman

Eh, spaceman is a better lynch than my random vote (Takhisis).

This is not a credit seeking vote, this is not a blood mage.

what the hell happened
unvote
vote: spaceman


Winston's a jester, guys.
And I wouldn't?


Speaking as an expert on townies claiming I flinched when I obviously bloody didn't and then getting lynched for it, Visor did not flinch.

Double A is not a blood mage.

Arakhor you seem to be around yet not wanting to comment on the issue at hand, why?

This arakhor. You did not say anything about the me/spaceman d1 thing. You actively avoided it in fact.

Sorry for the delay in showing up. The holiday weekend here in the US swallowed me. That combined with little to no sleep (kids and thunderstorms in the middle of the night don’t mix) conspired to distract me and now I am behind pretty much everywhere.

After reading the last few pages I am going to vote: spaceman.

This is a great post. BSmith is not a blood mage.

Am I allowed to quote from pm's from other players?

Visor has told me that he is vanilla.
Please, lets lynch him

Why on earth would town Jarrema say this?

Basically Jarrema is outted, we have a ton of clears, this game should be pretty easy.

 

[Visorslash]

Why me?

Why not? You specifically avoided the arguments D1, and you seem to be lacking in game solving which is a surprise given how I know you like to play as town.

 

[Arakhor]

I didn't really have anything to contribute yesterday. I have mentioned before I'm actually really bad at this whole cold reading thing that everyone else seems to be so good at.

As I mentioned, it was only Day One and no one had died.

 

[Arakhor]

For that matter, I was planning to round up some posts and see what I made of them, but I got distracted today (Weds) and forgot. I'll have to do that later (on Thurs).

 

[Sprig]

Just one wolf team? 4 members?

 

[Visorslash]

But surely you had an opinion either way?

 

[Arakhor]

I wasn't particularly surprised that Spaceman was scum, no.

I do have a couple of suspicions right now, but I'll need to go back over Day One first.

 

[Visorslash]

Arakhor you keep dancing around the question.

You posted around the argument but never once took a stance directly.

You never said, hey I think spaceman is likely town/mafia or whatever.

You deliberately did not say anything and I can't imagine why from a town perspective.

 

[Visorslash]

Jarrema

fwiw.

If I'm leading town to a mislynch he'd just follow along because he could use it as evidence to mislynch me later on, or at least attempt to.

Unless he had some weird idea to try and gain town cred by stopping a town mislynch, his play makes zero sense.

 

[Visorslash]

I hate to do it again, but seeing as I am basically lock clear - if you have a useful night action or just a potentially clearing one, please PM me.

 

[Kennigit]

Turns out visor was right. Town Kennigit is going to do a huge text post here lol.

Hold your horses! Although I know most of the council does not ride as often as I must, as I do have to make some trips out to meet folks from the Imperium and do some ribbon cutting ceremonies.

So I will first say this:

1) I fully believe jarrema will be a scum and the primary bad guys (blood mages) will be close to elimination and we (the demon council) shall have an easy time to ride to victory (SOME of which could be done on horseback). The blood mages are obviously the main kill and

Then, I will say this:

2) I'm going to "throw away" the concept of one unified scum team because I just don't see a world of spaceman acting the way he did. Even a "Day 1 buss our partner" would fall apart so quickly. Spaceman prematurely flinched in trying to do a whole bunch of (likely phony) analysis on literally 1 or 2 votes. On day 1! AND we know spaceman explicitly acknowledges day 1 is semirandom.

The only way I see spaceman acting the way he did BEFORE Jarrema even posted is if he earnestly believes there is another scum out there. Even if he didn't, he'd probably have to maintain the whole "look at me doing good analysis all game" and people would have to question it over time since it would ALWAYS be wrong (if he knew his teammates), without strategic bussing.

Then I will say:

3) Zack did explicitly say this game was similar to a game that was (apparently) quite wonky, just reading the scum PMs.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=8229498&postcount=749

one scum team in fact didn't have a night kill, and a scum team also operated through the body of a unknowingly compliant controlled person to perform kills [I only know the team role PM as of right now]

Obviously Zack had to de-scope his plans when this changed from a 30 to 18 player game, but the fundamental concept can remain. We can face scum who don't nightkill, or even face scum who have bodily control of others.

Or classic cult and such could exist, which would make this completely separate from that other game mechanically for the scum side of things.


I want to get this game resolved. I am fairly confident Jarrema will just be scum but I do not want to open to floodgates to informing some serial killing ghost demon scum or cult or whatever. Caution will guarantee victory

Let us see the result of the Jarrema lynch first

Finally 4) only because I promised Visor I was going to criticize him

I'd also like to point a finger at KingMorgan was responds to my private message but won't post in thread. He apparently thinks I am scum but doesn't seem to want to push my lynch.

what was that about lol. Mr "I won't PM this game visor" did in fact PM kingmorgan presumably for 1 vote on him. That is ALSO flinchy. Which I don't like at the moment.

 

[Kennigit]

I'm tired of work.

Does anyones role suggest any sort of unique mechanics or things which might prove to have an interesting effect?

As again - I have absolutely zero desire to network and will be doing very little PMing this game if any. I just want to know if there is some interesting mechanics to discuss or at least be aware of initially.

I will state forthright that I do not have an 'interesting' ability.

Also I will copy this lol, immediately after criticizing the man.




FOR ZACK ET AL

I will be away for ~84 hours starting friday and to last probably through monday morning AMERICAN Imperium time.


So I really don't want to be replaced but it might hypothetically be the best option, since there are a whole bunch of replacements lined up.

 

[Sprig]

Thats kinda what I was fishing for from Visor. Much more clearly put.

I would be surprised at a just a 4 man team but then my role doesn't give any indication either way.

 

[Jarrema]

Why on earth would town Jarrema say this?

Basically Jarrema is outted, we have a ton of clears, this game should be pretty easy.

I said that because it was true - you claimed to be vanilla to me.

Ok, before I go, I will:
1. vote: Visorslash. That is getting weirder and weirder.
2. Inform you all that Visorslash has strength of 2

 

[Double A]

vote: Jarrema
¯\_(&#12484_/¯

I didn't really have anything to contribute yesterday. I have mentioned before I'm actually really bad at this whole cold reading thing that everyone else seems to be so good at.

Yeah, I know. It's like magic to me.

 

[Visorslash]

Jarrema, if you are town in some magical world, you cannot think I am scum with spaceman. Unless you think we did some entirely unncessary bussing.

 

[Double A]

Unless he thinks you're scum with the proposed other team.