NotW LVII - Tempus Fugit (game thread)

[Lohrenswald]

That seemed to me as dumb luck

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

ok,

Mat93 your voting pattern so far is pinging.

Didn't mind the spaceman vote although I felt your pop-in was wolfy.

Now you're moving off, and giving reasons which reach.

I'm probably going to switch off of everyone and move onto you if your vote stays on Lohrens.

 

[Mat93]

I'm probably going to switch off of everyone and move onto you if your vote stays on Lohrens.

Not a problem. 1st vote was random (obviously), second was sheeping as I had no reads and was going off yours (with the idea that a read is better than no reads), and now I'm finding Lohrens scummy myself.

That being said if spaceman flips scum I fully expect to be lynched the day after (if I'm still alive then).

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Scummy or different?

Lohrenswald is simply different. And as scum he voted for people in Aspiring Rapper's mafia on day one.

His posts are null at worst right now, in my opinion.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Right now Lohrenswald is camping in the thread and contributing more posts than almost anyone else, with content and reasoning that challenges convention. And it's earning him additional "odd thing happening itt" votes.

His motivation to do so as a wolf is:

 

[Mat93]

Scummy or different?

Thats a matter of opinion. At the very least I'd say its a wanting to avoid being held accountable, and a reluctance to contribute meaningful things that could be used against her later.

And yes, conversation is being challenged, but the majority of it is over the value of D1 lynching, which IMO, isn't that helpful.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

It's almost 8pm

He's been here since 4pm almost constantly

If you lynch him you will lynch a villager. Probably 19 out of 20 times minimum.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Thats a matter of opinion. At the very least I'd say its a wanting to avoid being held accountable, and a reluctance to contribute meaningful things that could be used against her later.

I disagree that's what's motivating him right now.

And yes, conversation is being challenged, but the majority of it is over the value of D1 lynching, which IMO, isn't that helpful.

Lynching unhelpful townies led to a scum sweep last game. I would ask you to try again.

 

[Kennigit]

I agree on lohr town read

Since you so kindly explained day 1 lynching (i didnt read it), maybe you can explain to me n1 town vigilante actions?

#I've never seen it work

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

I vigged Zander n1 after lynching Csarmi d1 in my last game on DM, both wolves

Didn't do much else good after that, but. One shot vig, one killed by vig. Just aim correctly, most powerful role in the game.

 

[Mat93]

Spoiler :

Oh for Christ's sake it was bloody banter or something


1. It had an aura of seriousness
2. Unfourtunately not, no

My vote is useless anyway

Unvote

Okay cuthillius
I'm sorry
Joke was the wrong word
I didn't think I was very aggressive
But if it seemed like so, I'm sorry

you tell me how to find a mafia D1 and I might vote against someone

for the record, while I didn't say so in thread, I accepted this explanation and hoped to move on

I don't accept a luck based strategy

1. no it's not
2. mafia game isn't life

Well I'm not voting unless something convincing shows up

well see what I figure is that if nobody gets lynched, fewer town members die per day/night cycle, which leads to more ground to work with (night abilities)

I primarily build cases on night actions

yea, but the town at this point has really no basis to make sound judgement

like we'll just have to start with stupid votes, but then some people get more votes on them for reasons, but mafia would never jump on a bandwagon day 1 because it'd be stupid to expose themselves like that, many say, and then what is there?

What is there to base something on?
I've never located the mafia team until it's too late

I'm not entierly sure what you mean, Kennigit

and

well there's something I'd kinda like to say, but I'm afraid to discuss role PMs

Requesting a tally

for all the people that read a lot into this, I'm sorry

Spaceman98, why should I not vote against you?

That seemed to me as dumb luck

It's almost 8pm

He's been here since 4pm almost constantly

If you lynch him you will lynch a villager. Probably 19 out of 20 times minimum.

Agreed on the posting. Disagree on the content. I can see it being villager, don't agree that it is.

I disagree that's what's motivating him right now.

Lynching unhelpful townies led to a scum sweep last game. I would ask you to try again.

But I don't think they are townie. Therefore to me its not lynching an unhelpful townie. I may well be wrong, but other than reads, there is no evidence either way at this point.

 

[Cass_]

Eh, maybe atheotes

1. Atheotes
2. Spaceman

Person randomly chosen to be second most townie (behind kennigit): jarrema

1. Why Atheotes?/Why higher than Spaceman?
2. What makes Jarrema Town?

Oh for Christ's sake it was bloody banter or something

1. It had an aura of seriousness
2. Unfourtunately not, no

Lohr, I don't get the contradiction between the bold. Why say you were bantering or something with your reaction to Cuth's vote and then validate the statement that you were sensitive about it because of an aura of seriousness?

@Cass:
1: I wanted to see how Pizza would respond to it.
2: I don't think so. I've played a handful of games outside GITP, so it might be we've met. I don't recall.
3: I've resolved to keep an eye out. Unreadable people are just people we can't read yet. I do expect his reactions to be related in some way to his alignment, but I do not know how.

My opinions on people's intros aren't in a formalizable stage. I've got vague feelings that I'll write about once I spot something sufficiently interesting that I'm willing to go over and check specific people more thoroughly. I voted for Cuth because I knew he had some votes on him already. The same was true with the Pizza vote - I went over the thread, checked people who had more than one vote on them, picked someone whom I could expect would reply to my prod to air their thoughts a bit and voted them.

WRT Pizza/Tak
1. Having played with Tak, did you expect an answer other than 'null/unknown'? How could Pizza's answer to 'do you know if it's normal' (for Tak to throw suspicion around without focus) have been telling for either of their alignments either way?
2 and 3 are ok, for now.

Why leave your vote on Cuth?

Because that post was iirc the third vote on a wagon, and probably the scummiest of the bunch.(1)

They're his posts; also 1 relates to my reasoning with 3 (2)

It's the beginning of the game. He comes in, makes a vote without any reason. He puts in fluff text, but it's not really even a joke, just flavor. Then he goes after me for voting him very aggressively and says that he needs some "reason", even if it's a joke. Neither of which he really gave in the first place.

Lack of explanation is fine if it is a random vote, but gets worse the higher you are on a bandwagon.

1. OK for Al Sips and third vote without reason. Why/does a second vote count as high/suspicious on a bandwagon? FTR you do the same thing with Sprig in #23
2. Just because they're his posts doesn't mean they make sense to be included in support of your vote without reasons. Ok for Lohr's RVS vote relating to your reasoning. What did you make of the 'not alive' comment, if anything?
3. Do you actually have a problem with the Lohr voting Tak with fluff but no reason (bold), or is it more the underlined?

1. yes
2. yes
3. there is no rule three

Why leave your vote on Auto?
Do you have any leans at this point?

Lots of serious-sounding questions posed in my general direction.

Generic response to all:

I read those players and got a feeling in my gut that we shouldn't lynch most of them. And then Spaceman and choxxy made me feel icky.

I don't have additional info besides that. And to be fair, neither do any of you.(except mafia)

This feels like a cop-out :/ Why, at least for the bold?

yea, but the town at this point has really no basis to make sound judgement

like we'll just have to start with stupid votes, but then some people get more votes on them for reasons, but mafia would never jump on a bandwagon day 1 because it'd be stupid to expose themselves like that, many say, and then what is there?

What is there to base something on?
I've never located the mafia team until it's too late

FTR I get reluctance to vote when you don't have a lot to go on, but I strongly disagree with the bold. Town's job D1 is to keep feelers out and redirect from suspect wagons if possible, and to probe/give opinions in case of future lynches imo. If you're Town you should comment on anything and everything that stands out to you, however slight and encourage others to do the same - standing back has more benefit to scum.

Most cases are built on people ignoring game mechanics

Eg it's why it is impossible for me to ever read takhisis as town because he *always* scummily posts things that like could be a slight mislead when I know he knows otherwise (but i can never know what he does have)

Eg today he was one of the "well it is only day 1" when I bet he is sitting on some silly day-affecting ability

Like honestly i bet if people are just truthful and don't pretend to all be cruddy little vanillas when we know everyone has a passive or active role, we'd win easily and crush the varethites

Like understanding how the game works in a game like this (i doubt any 1 person's individual life is important) is orders of magnitude better for the town than "oh let's see if X is scum. Oh well he wasn't! Toodaloo~~"

I don't really understand what you're getting at here. Is this an argument for early role claims? What do you mean by both of the bold?


Unvote, Vote: Jarrema

I'm not confident in the wagons/sold on the fact that Spaceman and Lohr aren't both easy mislynches here. More inclined to lynch Jarrema for his votes over Cuth. Will be back before EoD and could CFD to Auto, Murska, Kenni, Atheotes today.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

@Mat

Then I'm just going to ask other people who are voting for Lohrenswald to stop voting for him at this point.

I have no evidence except what I can see. This is Lohrens' town range and outside his scum range in my opinion.

Lohrens had 58 total posts in Aspiring Rappers and survived to endgame. Unless he extremely rapidly changed his wolf game literally overnight, you're lynching a villager and I'm going to make sure that everyone knows about it and I will attempt to stop it from happening.

I figure I do not have even mid-game equity so I'm here to tell you who not to lynch in the opener.

If you try again with your vote you might find a wolf. Your call.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Thanks for talking it out with me. my wolf read on you has lessened at least.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

This feels like a cop-out :/ Why, at least for the bold?

You want more but I'm afraid there isn't more. It's just a bad feeling.

I can cite the posts and the circumstances of the bad feeling, that's all.

They're greater than random to be a wolf imo. BRB

 

[Mat93]

This is Lohrens' town range and outside his scum range in my opinion.

Lohrens had 58 total posts in Aspiring Rappers and survived to endgame. Unless he extremely rapidly changed his wolf game literally overnight, you're lynching a villager and I'm going to make sure that everyone knows about it and I will attempt to stop it from happening.

You do have a good point there. Being so soon (and so successful) there makes a difference. That being said, they were close to the lynch a few times. I can see the leaving them alone for a few days being a good option.

unvote; vote: spaceman, FoS: Lohrens

Slight compromise. And no problem

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Choxorn-

Spoiler :

Vote: Mat93

Because the number to letter ratio in his name is too big.

Null

I'm sorry, but there's actually no such thing as mafia in this universe, and [/continues being stupidly pedantic].

Unspecified Appendage of Suspicion: Takhisis

Generic post.

That's all I got from choxorn when I voted him.

This isn't outside of choxorn's town or mafia range. He's null and I can't read him villager and the second post just feels like filler.

It's very mild but I'm looking for people to not-lynch and choxorn isn't going to make it on that list today posting this way. And the gut feels what it feels.

Next

Spaceman-

Spoiler :

Well seeing as our enemy is an undead necromancer, I suppose a "Not Alive" list makes sense.

its the start of D1 and you expect reason? What madness is this?!

___________________________
vote: Takhisis #thirdonthebandwagon

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Tally:

Takhisis: 3 (Lohrenswald, Atheotes, Spacetimeman98)
Pizza: 1 (BSmith)
Lohrenswald: 1 (Cuthillius)
Cuthillius: 1 (Golden1Knight)
choxorn: 1 (Zack)
Sprig: 1 (Snerk)
atheotes: 1 (Murska)
DuffKilligan: 1 (Jarrema)
Dice: 1 (Cass_)

_____________________________

Null / scummy (making a tally by post 22 of the game is not villagery, reads as an odd attempt to look helpful which indicates someone trying to ingratiate themselves to the group.)

Not going to quote this next one, here's the link

I hate the way he responded to Lassie. Feels like contradiction, trying to turn a villager's words against him. Spaceman- I've wolfed with, he has no fear and is aggressive enough to simply start batting townies around.

Then he tried to tell me my posts aren't indicative of my alignment.

Even if they're not, telling me that isn't solving, it's simply being argumentative and contradictory.

The town reads at the end feel tacked on and disconnected from his post where he told me my posts aren't alignment indicative, then read me mildly town.

None of his other posts made me feel better.

I can go through my town reads one by one.

Lohrenswald's posting has allowed me something more tangible to articulate my earlier gut feeling about him. Now it's something very solid. Town will be extremely daft lynching him today, helpful/solving or not.

Grabbing the other names...

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Where I found townies-

Spoiler :

Do not lynch today:

1) Bsmith1068
2) Cuthillius <-----Is under lynch threat
3) Zack
4) Dicetosser1
5) Takhisis
6) Kennigit
7) Lassie
8) Murska
9) Lohrenswald <-----Is under lynch threat
10) Askthepizzaguy

There are others up here with multiple votes as well.

Can we not?

I'll CFD literally anyone in the game outside of these 10 people.

I did a tally and it exploded on the launch pad. I think lohrens and Cuth are the leaders.

But it's not insurmountable.

^These are even in order of reading the thread itself, btw. I literally just skimmed everything up to this point and added names when they pinged me as townies.

Bsmith snap voting me after I said never lynch me feels good, and like a real, actual joke, which scum seem to have trouble with.

Cuthillius' post number 7 felt like a villager who actually suspects Lohrens for his observation and it isn't padded with for-show explanations. Then he says it was random, which I don't believe but maybe I've misread him. I think it was related to Lohren's post before that. Then post 23 felt like a free-flowing villager. There's not a lot of wolfy motivation behind that vote movement. I think this is very much related to villagers basically being dogs that bark at the nearest car that drives by. I don't think either vote was random, I just think it was free flowing and lacking wolfy motivation. That was easy and happened within a few posts of the opener round.

Zack I'm giving a pass on for his earnestness and sense of humor all game. Post 66 is when I started to notice he's in a great mood. 94 felt very honest.

Dice- I'm on a roll of not guessing his alignment wrong every game for a fair streak of games. My read on him has a lot to do with how he conveys emphasis in his posts. The read got stronger from his posting since.

Takhisis started off with three votes and his posting still felt unperturbed. He's difficult to read on a conscious-brain level, so I'm sticking with what my gut says about him, which is that he's fine.

We had to shut down that timeline. It got too weird, even for the multiverse. It ended in a universe where BSmith and Winston Hughes became mods.

What a terrible timeline that would be.

vote: spaceman98

random vote for "person second most likely to be townie": Jarrema

Snap read off of this one post- villagery

Varethites have no respect for what Day it is.

To them, every day is Day Chaos.

Only members of the Order truly care about the Day and Night and their proper chronological order. Which you seem to shrug off.

That is not respect for the importance of time

Humor feels good

Honestly fos: atpg

he promised "30 minutes or less" and took 31 minutes

Too wrong and random to be wolfy.

Lassie: 50, 51, 52, 54, 55 until I see otherwise comes from a villagery person.

Hello. Hopefully this'll go a bit better than my last sojourn.

Vote: atheotes for the gall to be TPAM.

Hm. It's past time we started playing, too. I honestly don't have much of a feel for this game yet, I'm dreadfully busy, but insofar as I can tell there's a few people with two votes and no real pressure on anyone.

Unvote; Vote: ATPG. Third vote on you. You've posted a bit, a seemingly joke vote on choxorn but you do mention that you intend to lynch him with it. Do you have any reason to push him or it it just random? And if it is random, do you have any thoughts on the rest of our players?

Normal for Murska, and was not actually careful enough to note how many votes were really on me. Feels like a villager bumping into walls.

I also feel like wolves would have known better than to put a 4th vote on me there. There's no reason to, there are better hiding spots.

Lohrenswald is obvious by now.

I'm lock town by role. Not convinced in a few rounds, make me claim. I am never surviving this game and I don't ever even make it to the late game.

As much explanation as to why people are townies so far this game as you can hope to get.

Lynch outside of these 10.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

I don't care if the lynch is choxorn or spaceman or someone else. I have better villager reads than wolf reads atm. Don't lynch the villager reads is all I'm asking for.

@Cass

That explain things?

 

[Kennigit]

To be honest pizza, your reads of my first 3 posts were wrong because I was still roleplaying (the fos was strictly a pizza delivery joke, at the time). And while I am town, I roleplay in NOTW's regardless.

be back in just a few

out of game:

Spoiler :

should have had the caveat that a n1 vig isn't done when a d1 lynch goes positive. That always let's town be more risky if they want to be.