NOTW XXXIX: Impending Retribution Game Thread

[Frozen In Ice]

Robbiecon to assure us that you still have it how about you show it to me, or at least someone.

 

[Seon]

BSmith Lynching Takhisis is a cause that I always welcome on principle.

 

[Earthling]

Don't lynch Takhisis, if we have to get rid of a non-Saboteur today, lynch Methos. In fact everyone voting Takhisis is going to look highly suspicious, there's really very little chance he's a saboteur and none of you have given any good reasons.

As for Methos, he is a foreign agent and he did murder Askthepizzaguy, with Whitower's revolver, which it looks like we're not getting back anyway. So Methos goes. Renata directly told this to me and several others and Methos has clearly stated his intentions in private to lie and not cooperate with the Innocents. Not to mention of course he lied the whole time to us about sprig, who turned out to be a rogue, I got really really annoyed it took us so long to get him vig-killed.

 

[Autolycus]

Earthling, even if Methos is the foreign diplomat, I don't think killing him is going to improve our situation. They strafed us once because they thought he was dead, do you think they're going to not do at least as much if we make him dead? We do have Aegis up, but that doesn't eliminate the risks in lynching a foreign national. Frankly, Takhisis seems like as good a choice as any, especially if we just brig him.

I ensure you all that the Navigation Override has not been used. And besides, now with the Rogues all dead, we don't need to worry so much about Night Kills, therefore going the long way is actually beneficial. Going through the minefield is a bad idea, with Saboteurs still on-board.

But you'll just have to believe me that the Nav Override is still very much in my possession, if you're not convinced I can use it, although I do not know the ships current route, one can only guess what it might be.

I, robiecon will have the Silenced Pistol, the Key to The Electrical Room, and the Container. I do not intend to use the pistol, unless we have a firm lead. I just wish to get it out of the reach of a Saboteur who might decide to be a wise guy, and start shooting. The key is for the same reason (are locks up and running again?). And the Container is purely just curiosity.

Methos can have the flak jacket.

Undecided about the Nuclear Launch Key, and the lynch.

Robbiecon, I have to say I'm confused by what you've said. If you can still use the card, I'd use it. We're not headed forward through the minefield, we're not headed the long way, we're headed straight for enemy waters, if you hadn't noticed. And while it's true that with the rogues dead, we can expect fewer people dying each night, the explosives are hardly benign.

 

[Earthling]

I would like to re-emphasive though that I really would want to execute a saboteur today instead. But we might not have a choice, and Methos' behavior is unbecoming not only an officer but a very citizen of our own nation. Again, Renata told us how he thought askthepizzaguy was another "Neutral" and used that reason (excuse?) to kill him, how he had a tape recorder to send messages to his foreign contacts, etc... In fact as you all know rhawn is Innocent and he got the same message from Renata so he can confirm that again, we already know way more than enough and Methos' bluffing is pathetic. He is a foreign agent and is a killer.

So, Methos may be a problem we have no way to get rid of except the lynch, and might decide to betray us and promote saboteurs or something, the situation seems a bit out of control. At any rate everybody needs to stop voting Takhisis again, or voting items to someone else but me or rhawn right now (rhawn is actually fine if you give everything to him, I'd be onboard with that too). Any Innocent who wants to talk should talk to one of us. Unfortunately we don't have the greatest evidence on most of everyone really for being saboteurs or not but we know who is not a killer and obviously not a rogue or been doing useful Innocent work the whole time (and no more of our repairmen should come up Rogues either, that's fortunate I guess).

 

[Seon]

He is a foreign agent and is a killer.

So? .

 

[Earthling]

So it's not worth him allying with the saboteurs and killing more Innocents. Plus we could really use getting some Innocent people back into useful officer positions. You guys are welcome to vote back over to executing CCRunner though if you like.

And again there is zero evidence to Takhisis' guilt and brigging him won't do much at all, we wouldn't find him with a gun or that he's a killer. Honestly this has been a quite suspicious day so far.

 

[Duke Blackstone]

Robbiecon to assure us that you still have it how about you show it to me, or at least someone.

This. Please show it to someone, or use it to get us back on course. @ All. As per Renatas pre death wish, I will be taking over repairs, and making promotions. PM's will be going out to the Machanics I know of via Renatas notes, and I encourage others who were not in contact with Renata to let me know as well.

Item votes and Lynch later.

 

[Backwards Logic]

((GM Note: I will confirm that the locks to the secure compartments are online at this time.))

 

[Methos]

As for Methos, he is a foreign agent and he did murder Askthepizzaguy, <snip> Not to mention of course he lied the whole time to us about sprig, who turned out to be a rogue, I got really really annoyed it took us so long to get him vig-killed.

The above is hilarious. You claim that I killed ATPG, yet its rather obvious that the same person who killed ATPG is also the one who killed sprig. So therefore, if you are going to imply that I killed ATPG, then you must also agree that it was I that killed sprig. So therefore you are stating both that you believe I was protecting sprig and that I killed him?

and Methos has clearly stated his intentions in private to lie and not cooperate with the Innocents.

If you're going to lie, at least make it believeable. My statement to you was that there was no way in hell I would ever work with you among a few other choice words. Anyone who remembers my prior games knows that you and I have never gotten along and we butt heads even if we believe each other is innocent.

I am curious though, Earthling, how you can be fine with someone who intends to use the gunship to take both himself and someone else off the ship? Not only would we lose two players, but we'd also lose one of our means to defend ourselves.

 

[Takhisis]

All items to rhawn.
Is it just me who feels that there's too many unused ranks?

If I remember correctly, didn't the airstrke happen because of the party that you guys threw? It was something about them not hearing from their diplomat that caused them to figure their diplomat for being dead.

I threw no party and was against it at the time, don't pile that on me.

Go back and check your PM, Tak. You'll see that in the PM I expressly stated I'd be trained only if I stayed on the ship. You then said something about me not being worthy and I didn't hear from you again until last night (real time, not game time).

You not being worthy? No, I said it was pointless to train someone who had no 0objective in being trained, given that I wasn't forced to do so.

No it's not an OMGUS vote. I don't like the way you've been acting and I find some of it more then a bit suspicious. I think you're trying to hide in plain sight. You're dishing out votes at random trying to flush out those oh-so-suspicious quiet ones, whom you have no logical reason to suspect, and repeatedly attacking me despite no one else supporting you in your flimsy accusations. You're relying on the fact that many people would assume that someone so loud and boisterous couldn't possibly be scum because if they were they'd try to avoid attracting so much attention to themselves.

Now that the rogues are dead, meaning that if you are scum you're a non-killing saboteur, I feel confident to say this in public.

And as for the items, I guess you're new or something? I always vote them to myself.. If you really suspected me to be guilty you could have asked one of the other oldies like Renata or Methos about my voting behaviour and they probably would have told you that. But I don't think you do really suspect me, because I think you know who the saboteurs are and you're one of them.

So to reiterate Takhisis, you're scum.

Because of… what? I still don't get it.

BSmith Lynching Takhisis is a cause that I always welcome on principle.

Again, why?

Don't lynch Takhisis, if we have to get rid of a non-Saboteur today, lynch Methos. In fact everyone voting Takhisis is going to look highly suspicious, there's really very little chance he's a saboteur and none of you have given any good reasons.

As for Methos, he is a foreign agent and he did murder Askthepizzaguy, with Whitower's revolver, which it looks like we're not getting back anyway. So Methos goes. Renata directly told this to me and several others and Methos has clearly stated his intentions in private to lie and not cooperate with the Innocents. Not to mention of course he lied the whole time to us about sprig, who turned out to be a rogue, I got really really annoyed it took us so long to get him vig-killed.

He's a foreign agent who murdered an Innocent?

I am curious though, Earthling, how you can be fine with someone who intends to use the gunship to take both himself and someone else off the ship? Not only would we lose two players, but we'd also lose one of our means to defend ourselves.

I'd never leave the ship, ferrying off people implies I'm still the pilot and remain on board. Is that why you doubt my loyalty?
Also, with no ammo the gunship is near damn useless.

 

[Earthling]

The above is hilarious. You claim that I killed ATPG, yet its rather obvious that the same person who killed ATPG is also the one who killed sprig. So therefore, if you are going to imply that I killed ATPG, then you must also agree that it was I that killed sprig.

If you killed sprig, your revolver would be out of ammo and you wouldn't mind handing it over anyway then, right? And just because you thought you could get Renata to trust you is no reason the rest of us should - a third-party killer is simply not worth having around, your loyalties could change like the tides.

As for this:

I am curious though, Earthling, how you can be fine with someone who intends to use the gunship to take both himself and someone else off the ship? Not only would we lose two players, but we'd also lose one of our means to defend ourselves.

Takhisis has demonstrated his job as a helicopter pilot and his Innocence. We would lose nothing in the long term - getting a killer of the ship has few downsides, and especially with the rogues gone, raw numbers of people are rather not as much a concern when we're most worried about where we're going and damage to the ship. And again a disloyal third party in charge of anything doesn't help on any of those counts.

Seon, Ekolite, and Bsmith all do owe explanations for why they are not saboteurs though. I think we have zero night actions solidly accounted for for every one of them. But the bandwagon on Takhisis is going to end, we could let Methos be and go back for CCRunner or something, it'll just take votes. Really the more Innocents are willing to cooperate the more we'd really get something done. Tell us information, show any missing or critical items to someone like myself or rhawn. I can confirm people should talk to Autolycus or Duke Blackstone on repairs and hopefully the saboteurs are running out bombs for kills but we can keep reapirs up.

 

[classical_hero]

I do not think that we should Lynch Tak yet, but he better do what he knows is right and teach someone else to fly.

 

[Seon]

I don't believe I've ever heard any plausible reason why you are not a saboteur either, Miss Katie, and Renata's trust of Methos means helluva lot more than any of your gibberish.

And besides. If Methos is, indeed, a third party killer, than he is somebody we should definitely NOT lynch at this point.

 

[Seon]

I do not think that we should Lynch Tak yet, but he better do what he knows is right and teach someone else to fly.

No, he will not. If he is to teach somebody else how to fly, he WILL do it to a suspected saboteur, to be decided upon at a later date.

 

[Duke Blackstone]

No, he will not. If he is to teach somebody else how to fly, he WILL do it to a suspected saboteur, to be decided upon at a later date.

Why? I can think of a few reasons, but I want to hear yours.

 

[Seon]

Why? I can think of a few reasons, but I want to hear yours.

OOC: anyone who leaves the ship via the chopper is immediately Removed From Play. Thusly, forcing of somebody else to leave the ship via the chopper will act as a second lynch to the one we already have.

 

[rhawn]

That's not a bad idea. Hear that saboteurs? You have one chance to escape before we find you. Sounds like a win/win to me.

 

[Earthling]

Except we have no evidence the helicopter even works that way. (OOC: Seon can say "OOC: whatever" but how does he have any clue how the helicopter works in game mechanics?) Unless you heard differently, and Takhisis has been honest/straightforward on his end. No saboteur is going to go say "Hi, Takhisis, get me off this ship tonight" and Takhisis couldn't just drag people off, is my understanding.

So again we haven't had the private response we would hope for, from neither Takhisis, Methos, nor anyone else. Yes, I would still say Takhisis getting Methos off the ship is the best of both worlds in every way and would rather execute a saboteur/suspected saboteur with votes today. No risk of any more kills then, we don't waste a day of voting, the diplomat gets to live so no risks are likely there and I don't see what Methos has to gain by staying. He'll have to give up pretending to be Innocent at some point. And we'd get a Captain and real officer positions back to some Innocents.

I'll change my item votes to rhawn though. Except the pistol - it doesn't grant a kill by the way guys, just extra vote again, and doesn't even stack, so I'd like to have it, out of folks out there who could possibly be trusted we could go for Izipo maybe. But people should make useful item votes or don't vote, random people aren't going to get to step forward and claim items when we have some known Innocents we could distribute to in private.

 

[Seon]

Except we have no evidence the helicopter even works that way. (OOC: Seon can say "OOC: whatever" but how does he have any clue how the helicopter works in game mechanics?) Unless you heard differently, and Takhisis has been honest/straightforward on his end. No saboteur is going to go say "Hi, Takhisis, get me off this ship tonight" and Takhisis couldn't just drag people off, is my understanding.

We designate a person to leave. If he refuses to leave, we kill him. It's that simple.

So again we haven't had the private response we would hope for, from neither Takhisis, Methos, nor anyone else. Yes, I would still say Takhisis getting Methos off the ship is the best of both worlds in every way and would rather execute a saboteur/suspected saboteur with votes today. No risk of any more kills then, we don't waste a day of voting, the diplomat gets to live so no risks are likely there and I don't see what Methos has to gain by staying. He'll have to give up pretending to be Innocent at some point. And we'd get a Captain and real officer positions back to some Innocents.

No, Methos will stay. Espescially so if he has a kill ability.