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NPR fires Juan Williams for Muslim remarks on Fox
By Michael Calderone

NPR terminated the contract of Juan Williams on Wednesday after comments the veteran journalist and news analyst made about Muslims on Fox's "The O'Reilly Factor."
Fox News host Bill O'Reilly stirred up controversy last week on "The View" after making the blanket statement that "Muslims killed us on 9/11," a comment that led to co-hosts Joy Behar and Whoopi Goldberg walking off the set.
On Monday, O'Reilly asked Williams if there is a "Muslim dilemma" in the United States. The NPR analyst and longtime Fox News contributor agreed with O'Reilly that such a thing exists, and added that "political correctness can lead to some kind of paralysis where you don't address reality."
"I mean, look, Bill, I'm not a bigot," Williams continued. "You know the kind of books I've written about the civil rights movement in this country. But when I get on the plane, I got to tell you, if I see people who are in Muslim garb and I think, you know, they are identifying themselves first and foremost as Muslims, I get worried. I get nervous."
[Photos: See more of ousted commentator Juan Williams]
Some commentators and a leading Muslim civil rights organization took issue with Williams' comments.
The Atlantic's Andrew Sullivan wrote Wednesday morning that Williams' statement about fearing Muslims on planes is an example of bigotry. "What if someone said that they saw a black man walking down the street in classic thug get-up," Sullivan wrote. "Would a white person be a bigot [if] he assumed he was going to mug him?'
The Council for American-Islamic Relations sent out a press release Wednesday afternoon calling on NPR to address the matter. Nihad Awad, the organization's national executive director, called the comments "irresponsible and inflammatory" and said they "should not pass without action by NPR."
They certainly didn't. NPR took action Wednesday night and put out a statement regarding the severing of Williams' contract: "His remarks on 'The O'Reilly Factor' this past Monday were inconsistent with our editorial standards and practices, and undermined his credibility as a news analyst with NPR."


Williams often appears on Fox as the liberal counterpart to one of the network's conservative hosts or guests. But some NPR listeners -- an audience certainly more left-leaning than Fox's conservative one -- don't see Williams as an advocate for progressive politics when he appears on the cable news network.
Last year, NPR ombudsman Alicia Shepard wrote that Williams had become a "lightning rod" among NPR's staff and noted many complaints from listeners after an appearance on O'Reilly's show.
Williams had described First Lady Michelle Obama as having a "Stokely Carmichael in a designer dress thing going," a reference to the militant African-American activist. After those comments, NPR executives asked that NPR's logo be removed when he appears on Fox News.
It can be expected that Fox hosts, especially O'Reilly, will have something to say about NPR's decision.

Bernie Goldberg, a Fox News contributor and author of several books on what he describes as liberal media bias, offered his take Thursday morning in an email to The Upshot.
"So Juan Williams is fired for saying something the liberals at NPR find controversial?" Goldberg said. "One more piece of evidence that liberals have forgotten how to be liberal."
Goldberg continued: "These are the kind of people who brag about how open-minded they are -- as long as you agree with them. And here's the dirty little secret: lots and lots of liberals feel the same way Juan does when they get on an airplane. And a lot of those liberals work at NPR. Juan's 'crime' was saying it out loud."
Weekly Standard Editor and Fox contributor Bill Kristol also had some choice words for NPR, which he dubbed "National Politically-correct Radio." Kristol concluded a post about the firing by saying: "NPR -- unfair, unbalanced ... and afraid."
UPDATE: Williams went on Fox and addressed the controversy Thursday.


Have to admit, this is surprising coming from Juan Williams. IIRC, Osama bin Laden's own instructions to terrorist sleeper cells is to not appear Muslim and try to blend in with secular Americans so as to avoid this sort of suspicion, so why are people afraid of the obvious Muslims like this? Also, what sort of backlash can NPR anticipate? Might they fire anyone else over this?
 
Well, Juan Williams, if he is indeed a bigot, isnt very much of one. Firing him over his own personal comment/feeling on the issue without consideration of how much pro-civil rights stuff he has done was probably huge over-reaction on NPRs part.
 
Well, Juan Williams, if he is indeed a bigot, isnt very much of one. Firing him over his own personal comment/feeling on the issue without consideration of how much pro-civil rights stuff he has done was probably huge over-reaction on NPRs part.
I tend to agree, but I'd wager there's more of a history here and this may have been the "final straw".
 
I don't believe they should have fired him.
However, an interal reminder to try and frame your views a bit less inflamatorily would have been in order.
 
I'd wager there's more of a history here and this may have been the "final straw".

Agreed. This alone seems insignificant enough for a firing, and the article does indicate he had become a 'lightning rod' amongst his co-workers. That'll lead to big problems in any workplace.
 
I don't believe they should have fired him.
However, an interal reminder to try and frame your views a bit less inflamatorily would have been in order.

Inflamatory? Saying your nervous of sitting on an airplane with a muslim is inflamatory?

I would wonder if the guy might be a shoe-bomber too. It wouldnt influence me to the point of leaving the plane or anything, but I would be lying if I said the thought wouldnt cross my mind....

So he gets fired for mentioning that? Seriously, thats just not that inflamatory to be honest...

I tend to agree, but I'd wager there's more of a history here and this may have been the "final straw".

Then NPR should be more than able to provide proof of those 'straws'...
 
Inflamatory? Saying your nervous of sitting on an airplane with a muslim is inflamatory?
On national airwaves?
Helen Thomas got fired for about the same thing.
What if I went on national TV and said "I'm afraid about sitting next to Germans because they might be Nazi's"? (I'm sorry for Breaking Godwins Law.)
What he said said:
I got to tell you, if I see people who are in Muslim garb and I think, you know, they are identifying themselves first and foremost as Muslims, I get worried. I get nervous
MobBoss, he almost de facto said that he is scared of them because they are Muslim.
 
The man said something stupid. I'm sure there's some context to it that takes some of the edge off of the one quote, but regardless, as someone who has been in the media business for so long he ought to have known that saying something like that was going make life unpleasant for him.

However, I think NPR's going over the line considering the manner in which he was fired, which I expect he could probably sue over, and likely win.
 
Fox new's bigoted commentary typically isn't compatible with NPR's higher journalistic standards.

Journalists aren't supposed to insert their own political bias into the news. Ideally, they are supposed to present news objectively.
 
Inflamatory? Saying your nervous of sitting on an airplane with a muslim is inflamatory?

I would wonder if the guy might be a shoe-bomber too. It wouldnt influence me to the point of leaving the plane or anything, but I would be lying if I said the thought wouldnt cross my mind....

So he gets fired for mentioning that? Seriously, that's just not that inflammatory to be honest...

It was the way he said it. It sure sounded bigoted and misguided. You know it too mob-boss.

Are you really afraid to see a Muslim on your airplane? How many Muslims do you think want to commit terrorist acts. Americans are more likely to die in a car crash every day of the year than to die from a terrorist hijacking a plane. Because of those unnecessary comments his statements just came out to make him sound like an islamaphobe.
 
MobBoss, he almost de facto said that he is scared of them because they are Muslim.

We live in a time when the overwhelming vast majority of terrorist acts across the world are (sadly) performed by muslims. If someone doesnt have such a thought in their head, even minimally, I think they would be quite naive.

Sure, we all know the number of radical terrorists is a very scant number in comparison with the total number of muslims, but when you get the media showing you almost daily acts of radical muslim terrorism the world over, it has an affect.

This man is an educated, smart man, and he still confesses this feeling. How long till people recognize that its a legitimate feeling based upon the reality of our world today?
 
This man is an educated, smart man, and he still confesses this feeling. How long till people recognize that its a legitimate feeling based upon the reality of our world today?

He should have been smart enough to know not to say anything. Anyone who reads the quote will have to admit that it comes off as at least slightly bigoted, and even put in the context of the rest of the conversation, he ought to know better than to get up and say stuff like that on television. Especially when he works for NPR.

Though that doesn't excuse the manner in which he was treated by NPR. This is a classic case of "Man Says Something Stupid on TV". And it's certainly an exaggeration to propose that the majority of all terrorist acts are committed by Muslims. The Klu Klux Klan and the Irish Republican Army are both classified as terrorist groups, among others, and they are still active in many cases.
 
We live in a time when the overwhelming vast majority of terrorist acts across the world are (sadly) performed by muslims. If someone doesnt have such a thought in their head, even minimally, I think they would be quite naive.
Edward R Murrow said:
We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason, if we dig deep in our history and our doctrine, and remember that we are not descended from fearful men.
Should I be afraid of white people because most serial killers are white?
Sure, we all know the number of radical terrorists is a very scant number in comparison with the total number of muslims, but when you get the media showing you almost daily acts of radical muslim terrorism the world over, it has an affect.
So bigoted comments should be excused because of idiocy?
This man is an educated, smart man, and he still confesses this feeling. How long till people recognize that its a legitimate feeling based upon the reality of our world today?
Just because it is a legitimate feeling doesn't mean it is right or should be accepted.
 
Are you really afraid to see a Muslim on your airplane?

Afraid is the wrong word for me. Concerned would be more appropriate. But seriously, even when I go down to the 7-11 and the Pakistani guy that owns the place is constantly talking on his cell phone not in english, I often wonder what the heck is he saying.....of course a part of me realizes that he is probably just talking to his wife or something about something like we all do, but still the situation in our world today has instilled a level of concern about Muslims that simply wasnt there just a few decades ago. Radical Islam has absolutely hurt the image of Muslims in our society, and there is simply no getting around to it until we see a huge decrease in radical islam itself.

How many Muslims do you think want to commit terrorist acts. Americans are more likely to die in a car crash every day of the year than to die from a terrorist hijacking a plane.

And they are also much less likely to die of shark attack. That doesnt mean that the possibility of a shark attack still dont scare the living hell out of some people.
 
Its only performed by extreme conservative groups within the Islam community, alot of them wahabbists. Ignorance of Islam is no reason to shape your daily perceptions and activities around the possibility of being around a Muslim.

If you are scared around being on a muslim on a plane, enough to voice your concern to the public you should be a lot more concerned driving on the road with all these drunk drivers around since that's more likely to kill you.

This islamophobia has lead to mass hysteria and prejudice among americans against muslims, all of it irrational.

Ok i concede its fine to be concerned in your head but if you let it shape your perceptions on reality like the guy on T.V who made the misinformed comment than you let it go to far.
 
The Gestapo and the NKVD/KGB would really be impressed (and jealous) of the effectiveness of "political correctness". Free Speech, nah, only if you agree with us! Anyone here ever read "1984"? Oh yeah, and has anyone ever seen that eleusive "moderate Muslim", that everyone talks about?


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Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889
 
Oh yeah, and has anyone ever seen that eleusive "moderate Muslim", that everyone talks about?
In my homeroom in highschool.
In various hight school classes.
My sisters friends family.
All over the place.

Have you ever seen elusive Violent Muslim Extremist?
 
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