Obama to call for repeal of DADT in State of the Union

[civver_764]

What we need to do is get rid of the two party system. Give every single party the same amount of public campaign money. That way corporations can't go and buy the politician they want to win, and parties that don't suck can have a fighting chance.

Also if anyone seriously supports the DADT policy any more I just want you to know what a horrible bigot you are. Good that its finally being abolished, whatever the motives are.

 

[Karalysia]

What we need to do is get rid of the two party system. Give every single party the same amount of public campaign money. That way corporations can't go and buy the politician they want to win, and parties that don't suck can have a fighting chance.

Abolish the Senate, abolish the electoral college, expand the House of Reps, make D.C. and Puerto Rico states.

 

[civver_764]

Abolish the Senate,

Yes.

abolish the electoral college,

YES.

expand the House of Reps,

In what way? More reps for everyone? More power to them?

make D.C. and Puerto Rico states.

Probably a good idea too.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

Why dont we fix the most compelling thing first? Like the ECONOMY. There is something to be said for at least accomplishing something isnt there?

Because that would be socialism! Government intervening in the markets? I thought the markets could fix themselves.

 

[yesboii]

Democrats new catchphrase: Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

I love it.

 

[.Shane.]

Abolish the Senate

God, no.

abolish the electoral college

Meh, won't have the effect you think it will.

expand the House of Reps

Because 1000 people arguing is more effective than 500.... um, no.

make D.C. and Puerto Rico states.

Yes on DC, no on PR. In fact, give PR, Guam, et al independence w/ 100 year leases for 1 or 2 bases here and there.

 

[Karalysia]

In what way? More reps for everyone? More power to them?

Representation more closely associated with population statistics. In the Constitution it says one representative for every 30,000 people, I'm not sure how closely we abide by that.

Anyone after abolishing the Senate, I envision turning the House in a more parliamentary body with majority runoff voting. This combined with abolition of the electoral college, and mandatory public funding for campaigns, stripping corporations of person hood, and giving free airtime for political stuff would make multiparties viable.

The House is more accurately the will of the people than the worthless elitist Senate is. If you look at the reasons why the Founders created the Senate and the House you'll see it was to insulate the will of the people from the government, because the Founders when it comes down to it were privileged white landowing aristocratic wealthy slaveholders who had their vested intrersts and sought to establish a government and Constitution to protect their vested interests. Hamilton, Madison and Morris ended up having to compromise with others like Mason who supported having the President chosen by the Senate (eughhhhh).

God, no.

Because all states are equal State sovereignty should die.

Meh, won't have the effect you think it will.

Generally no, but it would have saved us from Bush.

Yes on DC, no on PR. In fact, give PR, Guam, et al independence w/ 100 year leases for 1 or 2 bases here and there.

What do you have against Puerto Rico and Guam?

 

[pacesplace]

THE GOVERNMENT IS ONLY CAPABLE OF DOING ONE THING AT A TIME!

If Obama wants to keep what he has, he ahs to convince the American public this. The Democrats did not sweep up everything with a one step at a time approach.

 

[JollyRoger]

Here is a thought. Why dont we fix the most compelling thing first? Like the ECONOMY. There is something to be said for at least accomplishing something isnt there?

Guess what subject he is expected to spend 2/3rds of his speech on?

 

[Joecoolyo]

Abolish the Senate, abolish the electoral college, expand the House of Reps, make D.C. and Puerto Rico states.

This.

The senate is as undemocratic as you can get.

 

[.Shane.]

Because all states are equal

lol, I'll remember this the next time you try to defend the idea of protecting the minority from the majority.

What do you have against Puerto Rico and Guam?

Nothing. It doesn't make sense to have places that remote as part of your national government. Cut them loose.

I notice you didn't comment on my HofR reply. I'll take that as an admission that you're wrong.

 

[.Shane.]

The senate is as undemocratic as you can get.

Laughable. Protecting the minority from the majority is an EXTREMELY democratic idea.

You truly don't understand how American democracy was conceived. Well, that might not be fair. Maybe you just disagree w/ the intent of the framing of the federal govt. in the Constitution.

 

[Cutlass]

lol, I'll remember this the next time you try to defend the idea of protecting the minority from the majority.

Nothing. It doesn't make sense to have places that remote as part of your national government. Cut them loose.

I notice you didn't comment on my HofR reply. I'll take that as an admission that you're wrong.

PR is closer to Washington than Alaska or Hawaii. Or California. Or possibly even Texas. I say return all the inhabited areas of DC to Maryland, lake PR a state. Or give them a straight in or out vote and let them decide. No more territories.

 

[.Shane.]

PR is closer to Washington than Alaska or Hawaii. Or California. Or possibly even Texas. I say return all the inhabited areas of DC to Maryland, lake PR a state. Or give them a straight in or out vote and let them decide. No more territories.

Can't undo AK are HI. Also, CA and TX are continguous and share a LONG history of migration, soical/cultural etc.... which we don't share w/ Guam or PR (though you could argue about PR's coming to the NY).

That said, I'll take your last comment as a compromise. Time to make them states or get rid of them.

 

[Cutlass]

Democrats new catchphrase: Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

 

[Cutlass]

Can't undo AK are HI. Also, CA and TX are continguous and share a LONG history of migration, soical/cultural etc.... which we don't share w/ Guam or PR (though you could argue about PR's coming to the NY).

That said, I'll take your last comment as a compromise. Time to make them states or get rid of them.

Living in the north east instead of the west, I can tell you it's a rare day that don't encounter someone from Puerto Rico. The people who go back and forth and that have come and stayed have got to be near the number of people who never left there. It's very integrated.

 

[Earthling]

States are not people. No one owes the State of Montana or the State of Rhode Island AND bloody Providence Plantations anything.

 

[Bei1052]

Empty gesture. As I've said before in the past, if Congress/Obama really wanted DA;DT to be repealed, it would have been repealed last year.

...And I swear Karalysia has to be a closet homosexual, 'cuz (s)he's always starting threads on gays.

 

[civver_764]

Wasn't the senate just created in the first place so the owners of the former colonies didn't feel cheated because they had less people?

The senate is a stupid idea through and through. Why 500 thousand people in Wyoming should have as much power as 40 MILLION people in Califnoria is beyond me. It isn't about protecting the minority from the majority, rather the minority not having power over the majority.

 

[Quackers]

Objections to DADT or the removal of it?

Objections to DADT.

I mean just don't act gay. People have been doing it for thusands of years in the army.