Obama to call for repeal of DADT in State of the Union
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That your bigotry against women is as strong as your bigotry against gays?
PiMan
Deity
This is how I'm reading it. He appears to be saying that he would rather remove women from all military forces than allow any gay people.
Also, if what other countries are doing better or worse than the US is irrelevant, then why are we imposing democracy?
useless
Social Justice Rogue
So your argument boils down to: "Gays gross me out, how dare they live their lives the way they want to!" Okay then.
I'm too librul to hold a job with that outfit.
/facepalm
I'm not saying anything remotely close to that.
Its hopeless. you guys don't understand how the military works, and you're too caught up with your righteous crusade against discrimination to see another side.
ROFL exhibit A.
i haven't even come close to approaching it from this angle. You see what you want to see.
useless
Social Justice Rogue
Yes, how dare we wish to treat others the way we would wish to be treated and grant them the same rights as us.
useless
Social Justice Rogue
Laugh all you want, but this is essentially your argument. You're basically saying that it's better to force gays into the closet then having to deal with the awkwardness that your views create when you have to socialise with them.
You know, i could simply type up your argument and instead of using the word "homosexual" i could insert the word "Black" and it would still be the same argument. Move on, times change. Jesus Christ, even the PHILIPINES allows homosexuals to be open in their army. What does that say about America?
Miles Teg
Nuclear Powered Mentat
Actually capslock, it's kind of the other way around. I respect our troops. Anyone who's willing to fight and die for his or her country is all right by me. And I want to have the best military possible, consisting of the best men and women our country has to offer. So I think that we should allow gays and lesbians to serve. After some initial problems, I think this will work out splendidly.
You on the other hand have a very unflattering view of our troops, and you seem to think of them as incurable bigots that can't behave in a professional manner. While I'm disappointed that you take that view, I disagree with it, and I hope you'll be shown up soon.
But I am curious? Why do you have such a low opinion of the professionalism and tolerance in our armed forces? Do you really think that someone who can comfortably serve with men and women of all racial, ethnic, and religious backgrounds, who serves in a force that primarily operates overseas in lands where people speak a different tongue and worship a different god, can't deal with the thought that one of their comrades might like penises instead of vaginas? I just find that mind boggling.
You on the other hand have a very unflattering view of our troops, and you seem to think of them as incurable bigots that can't behave in a professional manner. While I'm disappointed that you take that view, I disagree with it, and I hope you'll be shown up soon.
But I am curious? Why do you have such a low opinion of the professionalism and tolerance in our armed forces? Do you really think that someone who can comfortably serve with men and women of all racial, ethnic, and religious backgrounds, who serves in a force that primarily operates overseas in lands where people speak a different tongue and worship a different god, can't deal with the thought that one of their comrades might like penises instead of vaginas? I just find that mind boggling.
Miles Teg
Nuclear Powered Mentat
So, why? Do you think our soldiers aren't professional?
PiMan
Deity
You have said that you wouldn't want openly gay people in the military, and have used women as your example of what would go wrong. So if you don't want to remove women from service, then what would prevent you accepting gay people into at least the same roles women currently serve?
Are you talking to me?
I'm not talking about those type of problems. Will Marines work for a gay team leader? Yes, once he proves his competence like any other team leader. On a professional level, being gay/not gay isn't an issue. I'm not talking about that, thats not what I'm concerned about.
I'm talking about things like increased fraternization, sexual harrasment, unrequited crushes, relationships, and all the bickering/fighting that goes with them. Unless you want to imply that gays are immune to normal human feelings and drama common to 18-22 year olds, you should agree these types of issues could be a problem in a unit with openly gay individuals, just as they are a problem in mixed sex units.
We have mixed sex units anyway, though, because the benefit from having women serve greatly outweighs those issues. I'm not convinced allowing gays to serve openly is going to provide more benefits than problems. But like I said, I'm looking at it from my perspective as a rifle platoon commander. I can see how having a couple openly gay dudes could possibly (not would) cause me serious problems. And I'll admit, I could be wrong, I'm being a bit of a pessimist about it. All my concerns could turn out to be nothing and it might work out just dandy.
Nothing, I'm not opposed to it. I've said it before, maybe not in this thread.
sophie
Break My Heart
I see where your fears are coming from, but I would expect anyone, regardless of creed, race or sexual orientation to be capable of maintaining at least some degree of professionalism in the armed forces. Those who cannot can be dealt with on a case by case basis.
People were saying similar things when African Americans were being allowed in the armed forces, and those turned out to be nonissues; why should it be any different for homosexuals?
People were saying similar things when African Americans were being allowed in the armed forces, and those turned out to be nonissues; why should it be any different for homosexuals?
@capslock- you do realise that gay people won't just spring out of trees and suddenly appear in the armed forces, that they are actually already there? And that they do not currently become involved in the detrimental fraternisation that you are so concerned about? How will allowing them to be gay publicly, rather than secretly, affect the way they obey rules. It's quite simple, really. Currently, gay servicemen and women are not allowed to declare their sexuality, and hence do not get involved in the fraternisation you speak of, because it is against rules. If this is repealed, then we can assume that such fraternisation will still not be allowed, it will be against the rules. So the likelihood of relationships forming is not going to increase because a member of the armed forces can declare their sexuality. It is against the rules now, and if DADT is repealed, it will still be against the rules.
Mr. Dictator
A Chain-Smoking Fox
looks like you'll see how it works out soon, caps. i'm sure you'll have entirely different opinions when you have a flamer laying suppressive fire for you, and you realize that you both may not like the same sex, but you have the same enemy on the field.
but really, any military who's composed of men who can't deal with differences has no business being overseas, no?
because so far, every single problem you've mentioned about the "drama" happens anyways in the civilian world. or are you one of those who sees the military as some testosterone driven country club?
but really, any military who's composed of men who can't deal with differences has no business being overseas, no?
because so far, every single problem you've mentioned about the "drama" happens anyways in the civilian world. or are you one of those who sees the military as some testosterone driven country club?
RedRalph
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I'm sorry, but isn't this still the US of God-damned A? Did I wake up in Russia this morning or something?
The gub'mint has got better things to do then to let a bunch fags mince around in our God-damned pround military. Sure, none ah our boys got killed in Iraq in December, and I'll be happy to cite that as proof of what a success operation-can't-decide-why-we're-here is in this thread, but on the other hand, I think he should concentrate on Iraq now, and not teh gays. In fact, I can think of a literally infinite number of things I think should be addressed before this.
It's not bigotry, it's just plain old one groups decent, God-fearing folks discriminating against a way out and wrong minority because of their own neuroseses.
Now some people say I'm just a plain old homophobic dinasaur who's too much of a chicken to come out and say it, so I roll out the same ridiculously lame excuse where I pretend to be worried about what the government prioritises every time this is brought up, but uh-uh. I'm a souljah myself, and I can't even begin to imagine what it would be like if the commies invaded and I kept gittin' cornholed by some of the men under me while I was tryin' to fight off those Godless sunzafemaledawgs. Well, I actually can and regularly do imagine it, but that's besides the point.
Send 'em back to Mexico, I say. and I'll pull the lever myself.
The gub'mint has got better things to do then to let a bunch fags mince around in our God-damned pround military. Sure, none ah our boys got killed in Iraq in December, and I'll be happy to cite that as proof of what a success operation-can't-decide-why-we're-here is in this thread, but on the other hand, I think he should concentrate on Iraq now, and not teh gays. In fact, I can think of a literally infinite number of things I think should be addressed before this.
It's not bigotry, it's just plain old one groups decent, God-fearing folks discriminating against a way out and wrong minority because of their own neuroseses.
Now some people say I'm just a plain old homophobic dinasaur who's too much of a chicken to come out and say it, so I roll out the same ridiculously lame excuse where I pretend to be worried about what the government prioritises every time this is brought up, but uh-uh. I'm a souljah myself, and I can't even begin to imagine what it would be like if the commies invaded and I kept gittin' cornholed by some of the men under me while I was tryin' to fight off those Godless sunzafemaledawgs. Well, I actually can and regularly do imagine it, but that's besides the point.
Send 'em back to Mexico, I say. and I'll pull the lever myself.
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