Off Topic reorganization

[Joecoolyo]

Different history, with the old OT we would not have suddenly removed pc either. If we started over with NES or indeed Humor and Jokes pc might rather be disabled, however we are not likely to do so anytime soon with regards to NES. However we are looking quite strongly into folding H&J into the new pc free OT forum.

So it was first-come first-serve then? You had to be here originally in order to be deserving of post count? Well, that explains why IOT doesn't get post count by NES does, even though they are the same exact thing.

Neither is likely. OT will be archived, but its pc kept. and tomorrow will be just like today for FC & FT.

NES is not OT. It does not have the problems found in OT and it has a very serious side that regulars contribute to. If pc is that important to you, stick with making posts in FC, S&T, History or even a Civ forum. You have many choices here and can run up your pc easily if you like. You also now have a place where many of rules kept in other forums have been relaxed.

No, I don't see much of a difference between the two. Both forums have sanctioned spam threads that get archived at 1000 posts, both have a very serious side to it, and both have a "lighter" side that tags along. The only differences I see are that one is more popular than the other, and one gets PC and the other doesn't.

And I'm not here to rack up post count and show off my e-penis, I like post count as an indication of how much work I've put into this community. It shows me how much time I've spent here, for better or for worse, contributing to the CFC community as a whole, which I hold dear. It's a massive slap in the face for the community to say back that my posts don't count, or are inferior to the others just because I choose to enjoy some forums over the others. I enjoy IOT over NES, I enjoy the "lite" OT over the serious one, and I don't touch any of the other Colosseum forums majorly because I'm not into sports, A&E, and I'm not smart enough for history. Yet, apparently my choices are wrong. My contributions don't count towards this community, or, the mods don't want my contribution towards this community, I don't know. It's very hurtful to know that I don't count, that I'm second class to other posters because of what sections of the site I enjoy, especially since I can't just leave and find another forum. I've tried, and I've yet to find another forum as dynamic, fun, and as full of interesting people as this one. So I'm stuck here because I love the community, and at the same time rejected by the same community. It's a craptastic position that I'm in, and I wish it wasn't so.

Also, I don't really give a damn about where the rules are stricter and where they are relaxed, honestly. As before the split, I'm still only going to post where I find an interesting topic and where I have something to say. The split only makes that harder in that I have two forums to check, and in one of them my contribution isn't deemed worthy of the community.

 

[holy king]

letting people vote with their feet could as well have meant to keep ot and offer something new besides it, then watch how it turns out instead of killing ot and offering two new things that arent ot as replacement.

 

[kramerfan86]

Oh so this wasnt just a joke then? That's unfortunate, trying to follow two forums that essentially cover the same topics but different moderation standards will get old.

 

[Mise]

letting people vote with their feet could as well have meant to keep ot and offer something new besides it, then watch how it turns out instead of killing ot and offering two new things that arent ot as replacement.

Yes I still have no idea why they didn't just make a new subforum alongside OT. I mean, they have told me why. But it just seems too stupid to believe. I would have to radically lower my estimation of the average human's intelligence to believe that what they're saying is sincere.


I also have no idea why this was done on April Fool's day. What a ******** way of managing a changeover like this.


What Joecoolyo said is damn important.

 

[holy king]

what did they say?

 

[Takhisis]

Read post #241 on this same page.

Edit: I see it's about what the mods say, read farther above for that.

 

[Algeroth]

letting people vote with their feet could as well have meant to keep ot and offer something new besides it, then watch how it turns out instead of killing ot and offering two new things that arent ot as replacement.

This. I would also like to read some arguments why killing off OT was preferred over creating a spammy subforum. And announcing it on 1st April seems to me like an poor way how to handle such a change.

 

[ParadigmShifter]

No one cares about postcount. If they did, they would post in the SRS BZNS OT.

EDIT: Looks like I just did, by mistake I'll refrain from posting "onwards" in a PBEM game as a penance.

 

[holy king]

i'm inclined to think this is a still ongoing april fool's joke simply because of how incredibly idiotic each and every aspect of the change is.

 

[Algeroth]

i'm inclined to think this is a still ongoing april fool's joke simply because of how incredibly idiotic each and every aspect of the change is.

We could be sure only after one weak at least.

 

[ParadigmShifter]

It obviously is Look how many mods are spamming, and there's no other April Fool's candidate. They spend about a week planning them, or so I have heard.

 

[LucyDuke]

I also have no idea why this was done on April Fool's day. What a ******** way of managing a changeover like this.

I can't tell whether it's real or not. That bothers me a lot.

 

[ParadigmShifter]

Then they win, hunnibunz Don't let it bother you.

 

[aimeeandbeatles]

Im also worried about self-fulfilling prophecies and such. As in people will go out of their way to make a thread in the light section overly silly than they would normally. Silliness is actually pretty good, but in moderate amounts.

 

[Cutlass]

If we relax on moderation in terms of trolling/flaming, there is no reason not to relax on spam which is a lot less disruptive usually (and complains have been that we are too tough on spam and not tough enough on trolling and the reverse - for essentially similar degrees I'd say). That said we are looking at relaxing on any non-disruptive behavior in threads. That is if someone goes into a thread and purposefully runs it into the ground or tries to, it won't matter what section of the book covers it, we'll deal with that user. Non-disruptive posts of either type will now be tolerated where they would not have been previously, though.

I think the issue is more that the approach to both spam and trolling were not productive ones. The real question is one of disruption and derailing topics. The fact that some people are really thin skinned when it comes to "trolling" shouldn't have been justification for the infracting of a lot of posts that push people and point out the contradictions of their positions, no matter how snarkily the one liner is delivered. And by the same token the many "spam" posts that don't really add to the discussions, but don't really detract from them either should have been unworthy of moderator attention. So yes, OT has been too much of moderator workload. But you bring a lot of that on yourselves.

 

[LucyDuke]

Then they win, hunnibunz Don't let it bother you.

But it's not funny.

 

[sophie]

And I'm not here to rack up post count and show off my e-penis, I like post count as an indication of how much work I've put into this community. It shows me how much time I've spent here, for better or for worse, contributing to the CFC community as a whole, which I hold dear. It's a massive slap in the face for the community to say back that my posts don't count, or are inferior to the others just because I choose to enjoy some forums over the others. I enjoy IOT over NES, I enjoy the "lite" OT over the serious one, and I don't touch any of the other Colosseum forums majorly because I'm not into sports, A&E, and I'm not smart enough for history. Yet, apparently my choices are wrong. My contributions don't count towards this community, or, the mods don't want my contribution towards this community, I don't know. It's very hurtful to know that I don't count, that I'm second class to other posters because of what sections of the site I enjoy, especially since I can't just leave and find another forum. I've tried, and I've yet to find another forum as dynamic, fun, and as full of interesting people as this one. So I'm stuck here because I love the community, and at the same time rejected by the same community. It's a craptastic position that I'm in, and I wish it wasn't so.

Also, I don't really give a damn about where the rules are stricter and where they are relaxed, honestly. As before the split, I'm still only going to post where I find an interesting topic and where I have something to say. The split only makes that harder in that I have two forums to check, and in one of them my contribution isn't deemed worthy of the community.

I'm going to quote this and leave it here, less the IOT bit (which, as one of the first IOTers, I still wholeheartedly don't agree with) because I get the sense that this post isn't getting read enough when it certainly should be read more. Moderators, if you are still confused as to why all the older members are griping so much, here is why, put into a succinct, cogent argument.

 

[tycoonist]

It's an April Fool's joke. It's not funny, cause everyone called the mods out on it, but it's a joke.

Or it's just stupid. Either way, I'm out. Bookmarks deleted, later OT.

 

[CommonKnowledge]

Can't see how it's anything other than an April Fool's joke. However since it's been going on for three or four days now the joke wore thin long ago. Not to mention it isn't an April Fool's joke unless it's on April 1st - otherwise it's just a bad joke.

I mean putting cling foil over the toilet on April 1st to catch someone out taking a slash is funny but if you do it four days straight you're just a numpty, and someone else will have very wet feet.

 

[Eat_Up_Martha]

The hope that this was just a poorly executed April Fool's joke is quickly fading. For the record, I am not liking this new set up at all.