Our worst enemies. . .

Estebonrober

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are almost inevitably ourselves.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018...bell-will-surveil-entire-neighborhood-peoples

I have friends and family who are into these things and even I understand the comfort it brings to many. Inevitably though we end up in a surveillance state perpetrated by our neighbors on each other. No law enforcement bill needed, no act of war initiated.

Do any of you own a doorbell cam? Where is your line on these public watching devices?
 
In my world there is no enemies. Only people that are less balanced!

And protection is perfectly legitimate.
 
We have met the enemy and he is us.
Pogo

Spoiler :
Does anyone remember the 1960s British show, The Prisoner? In the last episode, the unnamed protagonist finally discovers #1, ie the highest ranked person in the village. it's himself.


J
 
Spoiler :
Does anyone remember the 1960s British show, The Prisoner? In the last episode, the unnamed protagonist finally discovers #1, ie the highest ranked person in the village. it's himself.


J

I remember the show, and the prolonged argument that followed about what it meant, the symbolism, etc.

I particularly liked the speech:

Protagonist: I-- [showing his individuality]
Crowd: I, I, I, I. [showing groupthink]
 
Do any of you own a doorbell cam?

I don't specifically because I don't trust a corporation to use the device ethically and I don't like anyone other than myself potentially having access to security measures for my home. Kinda defeats the purpose if you ask me.

That's why I just built my own home security system that only I (and the other members of my household) have access to. It's nothing fancy though. Just motion sensors on every obvious point of entry and keyless locks on the doors. I'm thinking of adding some CCTV cameras to the outside as well, but those can get a little pricey, which is why I haven't already done it.
 
We have met the enemy and he is us.
Pogo

Spoiler :
Does anyone remember the 1960s British show, The Prisoner? In the last episode, the unnamed protagonist finally discovers #1, ie the highest ranked person in the village. it's himself.


J

I was starting to see that show! Now you spoiled the finale :(

are almost inevitably ourselves.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018...bell-will-surveil-entire-neighborhood-peoples

I have friends and family who are into these things and even I understand the comfort it brings to many. Inevitably though we end up in a surveillance state perpetrated by our neighbors on each other. No law enforcement bill needed, no act of war initiated.

Do any of you own a doorbell cam? Where is your line on these public watching devices?

People are excessively insecure, easy to scare into buying this snake-oil. The state must indeed interfere into business forbidding this kind of thing, there is no other way to stop these businesses. If only the legislators were not for sale...

It would be good if more stubborn, intractable people, got elected! The kind that can't be bribed because they have as their pet issue opposing monopolies or sellers of snake-oil. Politicians are often praised for being good at reaching compromises, but those are the worst kind of politicians. This is where FPTP election systems fail, the ones that allow for single-issue parties to elect people are probably better.
 
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I'm angry at the folks selling colloidal silver to my relatives.
https://www.amazon.com/Sovereign-Silver-Bio-Active-Hydrosol-Support/dp/B00OTZK0Z2/ref=sr_1_4_s_it?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1545728130&sr=1-4&keywords=colloidal+silver+64+oz&th=1


$100 snake oil so they can poison themselves drinking elemental metal (microscopic silver)
Plus, it turns you blue too!

That reminds me of the time I reduced silver nitrate with sodium borohydride. It went WHOOSH and a geyser full of silver and silver boride nanoparticles coated my hand and arm along with the bathroom sink and whatnot. Unlike if you take it internally, though, I was able to get it off me. Nothing a little nitric acid applied directly to the skin followed within a few seconds by water couldn't solve. Look, Ma, no silver, no burns!

I also blackened my hands several times with silver nitrate. Silver nitrate reacts with the salt on your skin to produce silver chloride, which is insoluble in water. The cure here is much less extreme: a thiosulfate solution is not toxic and not corrosive to skin, and complexes with the AgCl to render it soluble. Otherwise the skin will stay dark until a new layer of skin cells replaces it in a couple weeks.

The same quacks who sell colloidal silver also sell concentrated (35%) hydrogen peroxide as a cancer cure. Apparently you're supposed to put a few drops in water and drink it to oxidize away the cancer cells or something. But it has to be concentrated before you dilute it, because otherwise you could just buy 3% from Wal-Mart for $0.80 and deprive the snake oil people of money. Of course some people haven't gotten the "dilute it first" message and have severely, occasionally fatally, burned themselves by drinking straight 35% H2O2. A few have even gotten injections with entirely predictable results. Cure cancer with reactive oxygen species! It works for the ones who die, I guess.

But I've still bought it from them, because they're the only ones who sell concentrated H2O2 and ship it without paying the HAZMAT charges for shipping strong oxidizers, thereby making it cheaper in small quantities than responsible sellers. Then you can use it for things like dissolving thoriated tungsten electrodes to get the sweet, sweet thorium dioxide that I craved.

On topic: yes, obviously the technology the Chinese state is using to become a 21st century totalitarian cyberpunk dystopia are also applied against Americans by the private sector companies that are developing it, creating a dystopia only marginally different from the Chinese one. And, of course, it's still pretty buggy and basically every black guy is misidentified as a known criminal. This is what progress looks like!
 
Our worst enemies - using "our" in terms of every nation, society, culture, and political affiliation, the whole human species, in fact - are fear, ignorance, misinformation, hatred, elitism, avarice, undeserved pride, and misplaced trust in leaders.
 
This thread was a fail as soon as he linked to zero hedge in a non ironic manner.

Meh its accurate in this case. Broken clocks and all. . .
 
Our worst enemies - using "our" in terms of every nation, society, culture, and political affiliation, the whole human species, in fact - are fear, ignorance, misinformation, hatred, elitism, avarice, undeserved pride, and misplaced trust in leaders.

Yea its always ourselves. Everything you listed still is predicated on the idea that each and everyone of us needs to work on ourselves to improve the lot of the planet.
 
Governments will be installing this technology and using it soon enough anyway. Makes sense for private companies to specialize in some of these technologies, you know there will be a market for it, you might as well be an industry leader
 
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