Palin was part of the Alaskan Independence Party

[Elrohir]

I'd say that Alaska being removed from the United Nations list of Non-Self-Governing Territories is sure enough.

They did that because they didn't tick us off. There isn't any legitimate reason for doing so that I can see. When people do nice stuff for you because you're right, that's called being right. When people do nice stuff for you because you're scary and big and if they don't then they can always cuddle with Stalin over in Moscow, then you aren't necessarily right - just too scary to stand up to, but not as scary as Uncle Joe.

Don't get me wrong, I love the US. But this is genuinely dumb. We shouldn't give lip service to the UN Charter if we're not interested in actually following it; it'd be better to do away with it entirely, or actually do what we're supposed to do.

The UN dont trump the Constitution

No, they don't. However, the Constitution doesn't strictly forbid territories becoming nations instead of states, it just doesn't talk about it. Which means there's room for such a thing under federal law; Congress could legislate on the subject.

And what is that bit in the Constitution about treaties? Oh, right:

"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."

Well.....nuts.

 

[silver 2039]

Does her being part of that party not indicate secessionist desires? And in the US has it not been established that secession is treason?

I this makes her beliefs very questionable, how do you trust her to be VP, when she was a member of a party whose goal is to break a US state away from the Union?

 

[Gilder]

So she may have been a bit of a radical. Mmkay.

I think we're begining to blow all these little flaws out of propotion.

 

[The Tollan]

Guess the battle to define the unknown VP isn't going well for McCain. Wonder if he has any regrets.

I think that McCain (and most people) were not aware to the extent to which most elements of the media really are determined that Obama should win. The difference in coverage for Obama and Biden to McCain and Palin is very gargantuan and obvious. Obviously there are some exceptions, however the overwhelming trend is quite clear.

The main thing in Mccain's favor is that the pro-Democrat/Obama elements of the media do not dislike McCain himself quite as much as it does would a very conservative politican. Since he stand in the way of Obama (like Clinton did earlier in the year) though, he becomes the enemy.

McCain probably wishes someone already very well respected by most Americans of all party stripes, like Powell, would have accepted the VP slot if asked. Liberman, Ridge, Romney, Pawnlenty probably would have been savaged in the media as well although the extent would vary depending on the person. Ridge would probably have gotten the least flak however the base did not want him. This would make dealing with the media much easier.

 

[Miles Teg]

@The Tollan Are you aware the only major clinical study of bias in the media showed that while Obama received more coverage, he also got a far higher percentage of negative coverage.

It's only been a couple of days, and the media, for all intents and purposes has an entirely unvetted candidate to cover. Biden is the definition of vetted.

 

[JollyRoger]

I think that McCain (and most people) were not aware to the extent to which most elements of the media really are determined that Obama should win.

By most elements, which combination of GE, Disney, and Viacom are you talking about? Why does big corporate America love Obama?

 

[MobBoss]

Biden is the definition of Washington Insider. Which by definition should be oil to the water in Obamaid.

I mean really. Palin is my age, and heck, I make no bones about telling people I was a democrat when I was younger and my own politics are greatly different than they are today.

Again, I think McCain has pulled a fifty here and you guys dont realize it. He has put this nice looking mother of 5 for all of the left to tear apart.

Who, exactly, do you think is going to feel empathy towards her? Pretty much every hard working mom and pop across america.

This is why Obama is screaming that what the lefty blogs are saying is an insult to him. He sees what is happening and is powerless to stop it.

I wonder. Is McCain = fifty?

 

[mrt144]

Biden is the definition of Washington Insider. Which by definition should be oil to the water in Obamaid.

I mean really. Palin is my age, and heck, I make no bones about telling people I was a democrat when I was younger and my own politics are greatly different than they are today.

Again, I think McCain has pulled a fifty here and you guys dont realize it. He has put this nice looking mother of 5 for all of the left to tear apart.

Who, exactly, do you think is going to feel empathy towards her? Pretty much every hard working mom and pop across america.

This is why Obama is screaming that what the lefty blogs are saying is an insult to him. He sees what is happening and is powerless to stop it.

I wonder. Is McCain = fifty?

every hard working mom and pop who isn't classified as a welfare mother by the right and can relate to popping out children like their vagina is a clown car

 

[.Shane.]

Biden is the definition of Washington Insider. Which by definition should be oil to the water in Obamaid.

Gotta love it. Obama hasn't been around Washington for 20 years so, "OMG HE HAS NO EXPERIENCE". Biden has and its "OMG HE'S A WASHINGTON INSIDER!!!" I don't think that stopped you from pulling the Bush/Cheney lever, did it?

 

[MobBoss]

every hard working mom and pop who isn't classified as a welfare mother by the right and can relate to popping out children like their vagina is a clown car

More so than you know. My mom was one of 14 kids by the same woman, and although my aunts and uncles are all primarily democrats, I gurantee they wouldnt agree with how Palin is being hounded in the press.

A lot of people in rural areas still have large families. Your ignorance of that speaks volumes.

 

[MobBoss]

Gotta love it. Obama hasn't been around Washington for 20 years so, "OMG HE HAS NO EXPERIENCE". Biden has and its "OMG HE'S A WASHINGTON INSIDER!!!" I don't think that stopped you from pulling the Bush/Cheney lever, did it?

Dont get mad at me for pointing out the rough areas of the hope/change message.

What part of 'change' does Biden bring? Answer: not really any at all.

And I am not sure what the Bush/Cheney thing has to do with it at all. Desperation maybe.

 

[JollyRoger]

More so than you know. My mom was one of 14 kids by the same woman, and although my aunts and uncles are all primarily democrats, I gurantee they wouldnt agree with how Palin is being hounded in the press.

A lot of people in rural areas still have large families. Your ignorance of that speaks volumes.

Hounded by the press? The McCain campaign flushed the toilet on her yesterday morning (regarding her pregnant kid, lawyering up for troopergate, her husband's dui and other issues) and it barely made much of a blip. I had MSNBC on most of yesterday afternoon and evening and the kid's pregnancy was maybe mentioned once. Dan Abrams talked about her lawyering up, but made the point several times that it is normal, even when you have nothing to hide. Most of the coverage was devoted to the hurricane. Most of the political talk revolved around the effect of the hurricane on the convention. It seems Palin was an afterthought. It would only be considered hounding in the newborn puppy kind of way, not the pit bull kind of way.

 

[MobBoss]

Hounded by the press? The McCain campaign flushed the toilet on her yesterday morning (regarding her pregnant kid, lawyering up for troopergate, her husband's dui and other issues) and it barely made much of a blip. I had MSNBC on most of yesterday afternoon and evening and the kid's pregnancy was maybe mentioned once. Dan Abrams talked about her lawyering up, but made the point several times that it is normal, even when you have nothing to hide. Most of the coverage was devoted to the hurricane. Most of the political talk revolved around the effect of the hurricane on the convention. It seems Palin was an afterthought. It would only be considered hounding in the newborn puppy kind of way, not the pit bull kind of way.

Ah...apparently you only read the right wing blogs for your comedy material. Why am I not surprised.

 

[JollyRoger]

Ah...apparently you only read the right wing blogs for your comedy material. Why am I not surprised.

The left wing blogs aren't the press - certainly not to hicks in Arkansas. And even there, the trash such as nude pics and Trig's grandmother threads were panned by a good potion of commenters. The McCain campaign was the one that put the pregnancy story out there. Pretty well timed under the cover of a hurricane and holiday weekend. On the network newscasts, it didn't even get mentioned until 15 minutes in. The McCain camapaign pretty much gets a pass from the press yet still cries about being victimized by the press. Now I know where Phil Graham got his "nation of whiners" perception from.

 

[mrt144]

More so than you know. My mom was one of 14 kids by the same woman, and although my aunts and uncles are all primarily democrats, I gurantee they wouldnt agree with how Palin is being hounded in the press.

A lot of people in rural areas still have large families. Your ignorance of that speaks volumes.

Oh shut your all-knowing, self-righteous pie hole. I know damn well that Mormons and Catholics treat the vagina like a Star Trek replicator for children. Having a parent that was Catholic and having dated a few people from rural areas I know that women aren't much more than religious bait or baby factories.

She's being hounded by the press on legit issues pertaining to her

1. The failure of her sex education or mis-education to prevent the pregnancy of one of her own daughters.
2. The question of whether a person with 5 children at the ages they are has the ability to dedicate the time to either the family or the office of VP.
3. The question of what qualifies as experience such as being the mayor of Mayberry in Alaska.
4. The pure political pandering to the religious right.

Is any of this worse than the hounding of the press on Obama for family? I thinks not.

 

[MagisterCultuum]

Actually it does, I believe somewhere in that constitution it says that international treaties to which the U.S approves hold precedant over the constitution.

No, it doesn't.

Constitution > Treaties > Laws passed by Congress.


Actually, come to think of it I believe that Laws and Treaties are basically at the same level , and that which ever one was passed last takes precedence.

 

[IglooDame]

Moderator Action: Gang, let's remember this is a "PG-13" site and go easy on the gratuitous/crass baby-making references. And some thin veneer of civility and politeness would go a long way, too.

 

[Miles Teg]

I wonder. Is McCain = fifty?

I highly doubt Fifty would put a self proclaimed hockey mom who believes the Founding Fathers wrote the pledge of allegiance, one septuagenarian, multiple cancer survivor's heartbeat away from the launch codes in a bid to gain votes. He's classy like that.

 

[MobBoss]

Oh shut your all-knowing, self-righteous pie hole.

No.

I know damn well that Mormons and Catholics treat the vagina like a Star Trek replicator for children.

Really. I find your comment here rather odd since I dont think they treat it that way at all.

Having a parent that was Catholic and having dated a few people from rural areas I know that women aren't much more than religious bait or baby factories.

Really. Strawman much?

She's being hounded by the press on legit issues pertaining to her

How is her daughter being pregnant a legit issue?

1. The failure of her sex education or mis-education to prevent the pregnancy of one of her own daughters.

Again, a parent can do absolutely the right thing by their kids and those kids can still get pregnant. Kids still can make bad choices no matter how good a parent you are. Your inability to comprehend this is simply shocking.

You have absolutely zero proof that Palin was somehow negligent in being a parent. Zero.

2. The question of whether a person with 5 children at the ages they are has the ability to dedicate the time to either the family or the office of VP.

How many kids does Romney have? Oh wow 5. Didnt seem to affect him while he was in office.

This is simply your bigoted sexism in action. A womans place is by the stove, barefoot and pregnant and all that rot. Hell, if my wife desired to be the breadwinner of the family I would have been a stay at home dad no problem. Palin has a husband who also helps raise those kids. I dont see a problem.

3. The question of what qualifies as experience such as being the mayor of Mayberry in Alaska.

I would rather have the mayor of Mayberry than a graduate of the political corruption of Chicago. Thankyouverymuch.

4. The pure political pandering to the religious right.

So, Obama is to be praised for choosing a candidate to cover his weakness, but McCain choosing one to appease his base is now pandering?

Whatever.

Is any of this worse than the hounding of the press on Obama for family? I thinks not.

By all means show me something as bad about Obama as the inane conspiracy that Palins mentally ******** son is actually her grandson by her daughter and then we can talk. Until then, your thinking is simply flawed.

 

[MobBoss]

I highly doubt Fifty would put a self proclaimed hockey mom who believes the Founding Fathers wrote the pledge of allegiance, one septuagenarian, multiple cancer survivor's heartbeat away from the launch codes in a bid to gain votes. He's classy like that.

Then you dont know fifty. Again, fifty plays a much deeper game than you all realize. Yes, he indeed is very classy....but not in the way you think.