Paris burning

[Hitro]

The centrality of logic is about not talking about stuff we know nothing about.

But - he likes to talk.

 

[JohnRM]

The kids weren't chased by the cops.

And the riots in France aren't like in the US.

That is what is being reported here. And as for the riots, of course not on the same scale, but the same thing result will be evident.

 

[Marla_Singer]

That is what is being reported here. And as for the riots, of course not on the same scale, but the same thing result will be evident.

Well, the translator needs to get fired in such a case. The kids believed they were chased but actually weren't.

The thing is that cops have checked their ID cards few minutes before... and once they've heard the police cars behind them they've thought the cops were coming back to chase them, but actually, the cops were running after someone else. As such, they've believed they were chased but actually weren't.

Furthermore, those kids weren't criminals. They had no criminal records at the police.

 

[Bozo Erectus]

But - he likes to talk.

People paid the ultimate sacrifice so that I can sit here in boxer shorts and argue about things I know nothing about with strangers in boxer shorts all over the world, who also know nothing.

 

[AceChilla]

Well, the translator needs to get fired in such a case. The kids believed they were chased but actually weren't.

The thing is that cops have checked their ID cards few minutes before... and once they've heard the police cars behind them they've thought the cops were coming back to chase them, but actually, the cops were running after someone else. As such, they've believed they were chased but actually weren't.

Furthermore, those kids weren't criminals. They had no criminal records at the police.

So why did they run for the police, if they got nothing to hide?

The Locations of the Paris riots:

 

[JohnRM]

Well, the translator needs to get fired in such a case. The kids believed they were chased but actually weren't.

The thing is that cops have checked their ID cards few minutes before... and once they've heard the police cars behind them they've thought the cops were coming back to chase them, but actually, the cops were running after someone else. As such, they've believed they were chased but actually weren't.

Furthermore, those kids weren't criminals. They had no criminal records at the police.

Well, in that case, you are nitpicking. The point is still that the cops had nothing to do with their deaths. It was they who ran and killed themselves.

 

[Little Raven]

So why did they run for the police, if they got nothing to hide?

Presumably, for the same reason that blacks in this country often run from police even when they have nothing to hide.

For better or worse, there often exists a perception among minorities that cops are not on their side. And unfortunately, sometimes they are right.

But I have no idea if that applies in France. I'll leave that determination up to people who actually live there and know something about the area.

 

[Marla_Singer]

So why did they run for the police, if they got nothing to hide?

Probably because one of the kids didn't have his ID card and the cops didn't bother. They've probably thought the cops had change their mind. Well, that's what the third kid, who's been burnt but who's survived, seems to have said.

 

[Marla_Singer]

I was there about an hour ago. It's where is my university !

 

[Marla_Singer]

Presumably, for the same reason that blacks in this country often run from police even when they have nothing to hide.

For better or worse, there often exists a perception among minorities that cops are not on their side. And unfortunately, sometimes they are right.

But I have no idea if that applies in France. I'll leave that determination up to people who actually live there and know something about the area.

This is indeed unfortunately also true in France.

Anyway, the two kids who electrocuted themselves were stupid to get into that place, but they weren't criminals. That's not the same about the jerks who considered it as a good occasion to fight the cops.

 

[Bozo Erectus]

Update on the story:

French Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin has held a series of crisis meetings, after a seventh night of rioting in Paris suburbs.

Youths opened fire on police and set buildings and vehicles ablaze.

A criminal investigation and an internal police inquiry have been opened into the deaths of two youths which triggered the rioting.

Mr de Villepin condemned the violence and said restoring order was his "absolute priority".

Bouna Traore, aged 15, and Zyed Benna, 17, were electrocuted at an electricity sub-station. Local people say they were fleeing police, a claim the authorities deny.

Mr de Villepin cancelled an overseas trips in the face of the growing dissatisfaction with the government's failure to quell the violence.

Speaking to French MPs, he said that law and order would have the last word. "I refuse to accept that organised gangs are laying down the law in certain neighbourhoods," he said.

On Thursday afternoon, he held cross-party crisis talks with Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy, other ministers, MPs and mayors of the some of affected towns.

See, this is what I mean. Talking and talking and talking, holding meetings etc. What the hell is there to talk about?? For seven nights rioters have taken to the streets and committed acts of violence. You need to have a week of meetings to figure out what you should do? The level of political cowardice on display is mind blowing.

 

[amadeus]

Used to be called a Communist solution - how times have changed.

Read up on your history a little better, you might be surprised to discover that there's a difference between restoring order and repressing nations.

 

[Marla_Singer]

Update on the story:


See, this is what I mean. Talking and talking and talking, holding meetings etc. What the hell is there to talk about?? For seven nights rioters have taken to the streets and committed acts of violence. You need to have a week of meetings to figure out what you should do? The level of political cowardice on display is mind blowing.

Why do you pretend to be an idiot when you know you're smarted than that ? What do you believe the CRS brigades did during last nights ? You think they are playing poker ?

We have a government which had been elected on a "being tough against the criminals" stance. And trust me, if there's something they've realized in their political agenda, it would be that. Accusing the current government of cowardice towards criminals is just like accusing Bush about being too weak towards Saddam Hussein.

 

[Japher]

Told ya the French were Xenophobic, and nothing the gov does now can stop me from saying otherwise.

Gas em = Xeno
Shot em = Xeno
Let em eat cake = Xeno
Let em riot = Xeno

 

[Marla_Singer]

Told ya the French were Xenophobic, and nothing the gov does now can stop me from saying otherwise.

Gas em = Xeno
Shot em = Xeno
Let em eat cake = Xeno
Let em riot = Xeno

Could you write this in proper english so that I could understand the point you're trying to make ?

 

[Speedo]

Can someone tell my exactly WTH they're upset about? IIRC a couple of kids were idiots and got themselves killed while running from the cops?

And these people have been rioting for the last week over this?

 

[Japher]

France has been treating foreigneers like craap for years, and those that have tried to move there and make a life for themselves have finally learnt that which us Americans already knew.

They are getting what has been coming to them from the years of poopooing on others heads.

Who is it that doesn't understand other's cultures? Huh Chirac?!

 

[Little Raven]

And these people have been rioting for the last week over this?

This riot is no more about those two kids than LA was about Rodney King.

The spark does not equal the fuel.

 

[Marla_Singer]

Can someone tell my exactly WTH they're upset about? IIRC a couple of kids were idiots and got themselves killed while running from the cops?

And these people have been rioting for the last week over this?

The Minister of the Interior Nicolas Sarkozy has said he will be tough against them, he called them "racailles" (scums) in front of TV, and all this have been interpreted as a challenge by the people the message was targetted to. It's a bit like a kid which rebels because he's been slapt.

But hey, those are not continuous riots, what we are talking about is simply kids burning a car to bring the police and then to send stone on them. Afterwards, the CRS arrives and disperse everyone, incarcerating a bunch of them... and then it's over. The simple problem is that it happens several time during the night, then everyone go sleeps and it starts again the next night. But it's not riots aka Los Angeles 1992.

 

[AceChilla]

The Minister of the Interior Nicolas Sarkozy has said he will be tough against them, he called them "racailles" (scums) in front of TV, and all this have been interpreted as a challenge by the people the message was targetted to. It's a bit like a kid which rebels because he's been slapt.

But hey, those are not continuous riots, what we are talking about is simply kids burning a car to bring the police and then to send stone on them. Afterwards, the CRS arrives and disperse everyone, incarcerating a bunch of them... and then it's over. The simple problem is that it happens several time during the night, then everyone go sleeps and it starts again the next night. But it's not riots aka Los Angeles 1992.

Yeah, but what does that say about those kids doing it? Why are they doing it according to you? And what should be done about it?