PAX Conference analysis thread

In the screen where you see the culture/tourism progress, France gets a 25% modifier but Brazil and poland does not. Can this be a UA change?
 
something odd about tradeing food. it said nothing about food getting subtracted from the city that sends it. warsaw could send 9 food , but it only prodused 7.12 surplus food . I wish they exsplained the accual game mechanics.

If it accually gave + food without any other cost then 1 less trade possibilty why would anyone want to trade for gold if gold had as low a value as in G&K?

this leaves me to think they changed alot of game mechanics and we will not fully understand them untill we get to play the game.

In which case it is only a small matter of time before we solve it and totally break any illusion of balance.

The gold numbers indeed seemed small compared to the food/production but they did say it could be increased by different buildings and if you look at the tooltip when he hovers over the traderoutes, you will see that it is also based on the gold generated by the cities. So you will probably want to have a city generating mass amount of gold to trade out of, imagine mass tradepost spam in one of your cities just to get the number up.

What I would really like to know is, is there a way to reroute your trade routes without building a new trade unit, and is there a delay with said rerouting. Say you really want to build a wonder you just reroute all your trade routes to your production city and get the +4 per land route and +6 per sea route. Making coastal cities probably the best wonder building cities since they can get both type of routes to them.
 
My bet is on pool separation :

- on one side GP generation for GScientist, GMerchant & GEngineer

- on the other side, GArtist, GWriter & GMusician are generated independently from the above ( possible less steep curve )
Yes, one would expect Great Artists (Painters/Writers/Musicians) to be decoupled from the normal Great People, if one is going to get a significant amount of great works in circulation. Unless they want to make an indirect nerf of other great people, which might not be a bad thing for balance, but may not sit well with many players (including me).
 
A clarification to some of the discussion about the Pueblo, for those who have not seen the video...

The story was that the Firaxis team had (have?) created the civ and were looking for voice talent to record for the leaderhead. Because there are so few fluent speakers of the language, they were trying to work through the Pueblo council. It was during this conversation that they encountered resistance, and when it was explained that Popé was considered a sacrosanct figure by the Pueblo Firaxis decided to drop the concept from the game. It was left unclear if this was just the leader or the entire civ.
 
I think the Great Artist/Writer/Musician pool separation from the other GPs can be semi-confirmed by the PAX-Conference:
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You can see that there are no points accumulating for a Great Artist despite the Temple of Artemis and the Louvre being in the City. So they either changed those wonders or the system, which i believe is far more likely.
 
You can see that there are no points accumulating for a Great Artist despite the Temple of Artemis and the Louvre being in the City. So they either changed those wonders or the system, which i believe is far more likely.
ToA generates GE points not GA, but the system for generation of Great Artist/Writers/Musicians need to be different to the present system of generating Great Artists.
 
ToA generates GE points not GA, but the system for generation of Great Artist/Writers/Musicians need to be different to the present system of generating Great Artists.

my guess is that it works by amount of culture generated. it makes sense that great artists were influenced by a rich culture and that you generate a defensive culture before gaining the ability to make an offensive culture
 
something odd about tradeing food. it said nothing about food getting subtracted from the city that sends it. warsaw could send 9 food , but it only prodused 7.12 surplus food . I wish they exsplained the accual game mechanics.

If it accually gave + food without any other cost then 1 less trade possibilty why would anyone want to trade for gold if gold had as low a value as in G&K?

this leaves me to think they changed alot of game mechanics and we will not fully understand them untill we get to play the game.

In which case it is only a small matter of time before we solve it and totally break any illusion of balance.
For me it looks like:

1. you send :c5food:/:c5production: calculated from city pop by 0,75 (75%). Warsaw is 12 they send 9. Lodz is 5, 5*0,75=3,75 rounded up is 4.

or

2. Value is fix for era, 4,5 rounded down for Lodz is 4. Warsaw is trading by sea, and sea have *2 multiplayer so it's 9.
 
ToA generates GE points not GA, but the system for generation of Great Artist/Writers/Musicians need to be different to the present system of generating Great Artists.
Ow, bad mistake on my part. You are of course correct. But as you said, the point stands. Because the Louvre does provide GA points and the Artist slots on the Culture Buildings have been removed, there has to be some kind of new system.
 
IDK if it was discussed previously or not, but has anyone noticed that Great Musician have other option below the "Create Great Work" button (take a closer look at PAX demo at YouTube around 07:50) and it's not the "Start Golden Age" button as it is with the Great Artist? Can someone elaborate on speculate on this?
 
Interesting that it was greyed out inside Polish territory. Could be some sort of tourism bomb (a la old culture bomb, although may or may not grab land).
 
Interesting that it was greyed out inside Polish territory. Could be some sort of tourism bomb (a la old culture bomb, although may or may not grab land).

Or, maybe a Concert Tour?
 
It does, however, have some kind of 'strength', whereas the Great Artist does not. I wonder what that means?

IDK if it was discussed previously or not, but has anyone noticed that Great Musician have other option below the "Create Great Work" button (take a closer look at PAX demo at YouTube around 07:50) and it's not the "Start Golden Age" button as it is with the Great Artist? Can someone elaborate on speculate on this?

Speculation: I expect the unit's "strength" will work much like Prophet's and Missionary's strength, where the unit can travel to another civ's city and "tourist bomb" it for influence, and that's what the violin button is used for. ezpz;)
 
You can see that there are no points accumulating for a Great Artist despite the Temple of Artemis and the Louvre being in the City. So they either changed those wonders or the system, which i believe is far more likely.
I do agree with your conclusion, but just to be really nitty-picky, I have to point out there there is a third option also: We can see on the video that Poland civ have two great "artists" (they *really* need to change the name of the Great Artist -> Great Painter to avoid this confusion - anyway, I digress) available at the time. Theoretically, this town *might* have just popped a Great "artist", resetting the counter to zero - when that happens, the counter will not be shown at all, until some points start accumulating again. I don't believe this is the actual case, but we can't rule it out.


About the Great Musician special ability: General consensus is that this is a sort of tourism bomb and/or charged ability like Prophets/Missionaries. We can see he has a strength of 120 suitcases, similar to how Prophets have a strength of 1000 faith.
 
Was there a question panel at PAX this morning? I was unable to look in if there was.
 
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