Please don't hit the dendrophiles, Sultan of Rum!

Some news:

A turkish journalist was beaten up by police while on the street. Also some protesters were followed by police at an underground parking lot, and beaten up as well. Both videos exist on youtube, but i probably cannot link to them due to the graphic nature of their content.

One of the videos is titled "Turkish police beat Gezi protesters hiding in parking garage". If you type "turkish police beats" or something of that nature, there are a lot of hits about the gezi riots on youtube.
 
Some news:

A turkish journalist was beaten up by police while on the street. Also some protesters were followed by police at an underground parking lot, and beaten up as well. Both videos exist on youtube, but i probably cannot link to them due to the graphic nature of their content.

One of the videos is titled "Turkish police beat Gezi protesters hiding in parking garage". If you type "turkish police beats" or something of that nature, there are a lot of hits about the gezi riots on youtube.

They got what they deserve. they're burning cars, houses, shops and whatever they see but when Police beat them "boooo Turkish police! you are evil" no, nobody buy that. that's why people of Turkey against protesters.
 
They got what they deserve. they're burning cars, houses, shops and whatever they see but when Police beat them "boooo Turkish police! you are evil" no, nobody buy that. that's why people of Turkey against protesters.
Police should know better than to beat journalists and protestors, even if the journalists and protestors are in the wrong (and I personally find it shockingly hard to believe that journalists were "burning houses and cars").
 
I'm living in Istanbul, do you really think you know better than me?
It seems you may as well not be. Because your only interest seems to be to label all protesters as somehow bad. Which is just silly, I don't need to be in Istanbul to know better than that.
You may not agree with the protest, may have a heart-shaped picture of Erdogan as a necklace, but it is still just a silly stereo-type that protesters are nothing but looting car-burning anarchist who get drunk in Mosques... Or that protesters would have to want to see Turkey go down. It stinks like the cheap talk of cheap news.
 
well , well ... Turkey is to start a R&D project on lazer systems . Lasting 5 years , it's basic research / development as determined by transfer know-how from the US camouflaged as fully National work and no fielding at the end of programme . That will be discussed seperately . Even the R&D phase is in doubt for the initial reporting was immediately followed by a mention of the risks Gezi events meant for the economy . Uhm , yeah . No Lazers for people who demonstrate ... Seems to be further sweetened by the American Colonial Governor in Ankara with future deals on anything that comes to mind , even if diplomats always talk of economic cooperation with the same regularity as normal people breathe .

the footage as shown on TVs seem to imply the system will be a copy of the thing that's trialled on some USN Destroyer at the moment . Don't know why this is supposed to impress people , even those stuck in 5"/38s . Considering it comes from America which is the very same country that also builds the incomparable F-35 ... And how nice of making the deal contingent on politics . Those people who factor in Methodology #42 for frying Americans when planning were not there when the trees were to be cut down at night , didn't take part in demonstrations , did nothing at all , right ? And how are they supposed to influence , even stop the events ? And that in return for a dinky toy from America ?

the spirit is still there , people have discovered they don't fear the Democrats , and the Democrats have discovered they do fear people . You won't see that in mainstream media , apart from repeated commentary on why the said people are either Anarchist Terrorists or fools serving the interests of Foregners and the rich classes . You have to watch debates to see the faces of the newly elites . Some of whom are seem to be really troubled inside , by the "refusal" of the masses to identify themselves as Yahudi . Since the Democrats were driven by conspiracy and acted accordingly , they can't bring themselves to accept they have kicked public around more than enough . Public including even those who favour and even vote for the newly elites .

the newly elites were lying to the country , but they were lost in their own glory and new opportunities , say the conquest of new lands . So much that they forgot to keep the required amount of lies to the public . They are now making faces at the failure of policy and complain about America and England failing to keep their promises about an expanded Turkey . Allow me to define them with the Turkish word Dangalak again . Nobody ever likes Turks , nor ever intends good about them . The newly elites' sole reason for existance -in the eyes of their Foreign patrons- is breaking this country into pieces , so that we will be killing each other . Military , perhaps following years of State indoctrination , was the most trusted institution in the country and everybody has grown accustomed to humiliating it . Even our supposed proxies in Syria are having fun with raiding the borders with hundreds of guys , just like cats and dogs urinate around to mark their territory . Despite what the newly elites say and tell the proxies sure know it will be their land , sometime soon .

then the lazer project just becomes a painkiller . For an inconsequential section of the society which still has the guns and stuff and that must not really be involved . So that the newly elites can make it go away . It being anything ... Say their claims that the demonstrators were evil people who beat an headscarved lady senseless , threw her infant baby on the ground , stole the baby carriage and (considering she woke up reeking urine ) relieved themselves on Muslims . Yet no police camera footage ... In an age the only location city-wide camera systems don't see is inside that anatomic location where your legs meet each other , everybody must be ethical and accept any claims that the enemies of this new Turkey weirdly know every single uncovered spot to carry out their dastardly acts ...
 
Looks like this will have the effect of just further polarizing Turkish society.
Especially those who think vandalism occurring is an acceptable excuse for police to beat journalists and protesters.

Turkey's Non-Crisis

We landed at Atatürk International early last Friday with the impression from American media that Turkey was falling apart. But much of what we experienced this past weekend in Istanbul contradicted that narrative. We were left wondering whether the political situation is really a “crisis,” and, if so, what kind it was. We set out to talk to Turks beyond the media filter, trying to find out how they viewed things.

From the airport our cab made it to the Eyüp Sultan Mosque—also popularly called Abu Ayyub Ansari’s mosque after one of the Prophet Muhammad’s companions who’s buried beside it—just at the beginning of the call to prayer. When Haroon first visited it 21 years ago, hardly a soul was to be found. When Wajahat first visited 16 years back, there were only a couple of women in hijab, or headscarf. But on that morning, hundreds, including many veiled women, showed up over an hour before the congregational services, on a weekday no less, to hear recitations of the Qur’an and collectively pray. Times change and so does Turkey.

Gezi Park, in Taksim Square, is the epicenter of the recent protests. A plan to bulldoze the park inspired spontaneous demonstrations against the government for numerous grievances, including Prime Minster Erdogan’s alleged abuse of power, his regime’s arrests of journalists, his “Islamist” agenda, and his push for a new constitution that will concentrate power in an expanded presidency. But on Friday night we marched up Istiklal Street, which leads to Gezi Park, to see Man of Steel—America’s latest superhero blockbuster—and saw a different picture.

Sure, there was plenty of graffiti and a few protestors in Guy Fawkes masks. But there was also the typical array of tourists, Wajahat was solicited several times to attend Turkish clubs that play Eurotrash techno music, and vendors engaged in theatrics enticing us to buy traditional Turkish ice cream. In other words, the usual. Where was the crisis? Where were the police? How could it be that just blocks from Gezi Park, clubs were full, karaoke bars overflowed, and tourists thronged at cafes and restaurants?

Over the next day, we spoke to folks in Fatih and Eyüp, more religious and conservative neighborhoods. The story was far more nuanced than the simplistic struggle of radical secularists against authoritarian Islamists. These practicing Muslims said that Erdogan had simply gone too far. Turkey’s a Muslim country, they said, but also a democracy. They complained, for example, that the government’s potential peace agreement with the Kurds was long overdue. They showed sympathy for protesters and concern about Erdogan’s drift towards authoritarianism.

“Most politicians are corrupted by either money or power,” said a religious Turk, “Erdogan’s drug is power.” A cab driver told us: “Only God and Muhammad are perfect. Erdogan wants to be a Sultan.” That was the most succinct case for Islam and democracy we’d ever heard.


• • •


Naturally we had to check out the protests. The taxicab dropped us off near Taksim, closed off by police barricades. Riot police were out in force, including plain-clothes policemen strategically placed in the crowds. But protesters still gathered in clumps, testing boundaries—we sought them out, as well as locals who lived and worked in the area.

The protesters were mostly young, wearing bandanas, gas masks, goggles and carrying water bottles. Hardly “terrorists,” as Egemen Bagis, Turkey’s EU representative, described them: “[The police] will intervene against anybody who tries to enter Taksim Square, [treating them] as a terrorist.”

They were frustrated, angry, and defiant—Kemalists mostly, perhaps minority representatives of the fading order. When asked why they were protesting, they passionately issued a litany of reasons: “For freedom, for freedom! The Prime Minister is a dictator. He is intolerant. He is divisive; he uses ‘us vs. them,’ ‘secular vs. religious’ language. He is corrupt and commits human rights abuses.”

Not everyone, however, was pleased with the budding opposition. A middle-aged Kurd called the protesters “losers,” who were “making trouble for nothing.” “Why should I support the protest?” he asked in disgust. “Thousands of Kurds have died and now they’re protesting over trees?” he said, contrasting the government’s decades-long suppression of Kurdish identity and rights with the planned destruction of Taksim’s Gezi Park.

Boldness and curiosity enticed us to venture with the protesters towards one of the checkpoints closing off the road to Taksim. Quickly, we realized this was an act of reckless stupidity; both of us got caught in the teargas crossfire.

“Pop! Pop! Pop!” Three tear gas canisters landed around us and we tried to run away as fast as possible from the enveloping smoke. It was like having the world’s spiciest South Asian achar smeared in your eyes and poured into your lungs. More and more police moved in, showing no tolerance for the protesters: Prime Minister Erdogan was in town for a party rally and Taksim Square had to be cleared of “terrorists.”

The same Kurdish fellow who had condemned the protesters earlier clapped sarcastically as they spilled out of the side streets and shouted: “Are you happy? Are you happy?” A shopkeeper warned, “If the police don’t beat these bastards up, I’ll beat the crap out of them.” We asked him why. “They’re destroying the city. Ruining our business.” This seemed to be a common complaint.

Most Turks are not paralyzed by fear that their country might combust overnight. This isn’t a Turkish “Arab Spring.” But there’s apprehension in the air, and while Erdogan’s partisan response to organic protests might be politically savvy, it could be strategically dangerous and divisive. He’s right that opposition parties have exploited the protests and many Turks are clearly frustrated with the violence and support a law and order platform. But if Erdogan allows the frustrations of a minority to become a story about dictatorship versus democracy, he seems unlikely to move Turkey forward.

Our conversations left us spent and exhausted at a hookah café—no alcohol on the menu—designed to appeal to Turkey’s nouveau riche. The place was packed. The headlines alleging a battle between “Islam” vs. the “West” seemed to have bypassed most Turks, as stylish hijabi women in heels smoked sheesha while checking Facebook on smart phones. Next to them, or even at the same table, women wearing miniskirts did the same. This scene is quite common for anyone who has actually ever visited Muslim majority countries.

The world is witnessing and tweeting a new chapter in Turkey’s road to deeper democracy. Atatürk posters still adorn many walls. His golden bust remains at the Turkish Parliament, overseeing an evolving and mostly successful experiment with democracy and Islamism. But the appeal of Kemalism has clearly faded, and Turks are more and more comfortable with their religious and cultural identity. So the question and fear remains: whether Erdogan will replace Atatürk’s legacy with a pluralistic democracy or a new bust in his own image?
 
what the foreigners are saying is heavyhandedness might work against the Counterrevolution . The one that aims -in the hands of other states- to use whatever weight Turkey has in order to cheaply destroy anybody who might have been sympathetical to Turkey ; when our turn under the hammer comes we will be as easy as turkey the bird . Even in the CFC itself the transformation that my country has gone through is lauded as the way all Muslim countries should go , anybody who doesn't agree with that and say so can easily proven to be an Islamophobe anyhow , with a simple glimpse through his/her last posts . And anybody who has been paid any attention to Turkey in the last decade can easily say that if the newly elites don't act carefully more and more people abroad can come to an understanding that there are kangoroo courts in Turkey that jail people on flimsy evidence to ram through reforms . Stand up and say no and your family will visit you in jail ... Neverminding the botched reforms destroying any credibility of the State yet not untarnished .

it's simply a thing so Orientalist in mentality ; only thing that matters is public opinion in the West , since we in the East are not worthy anyhow . And this is something you can't say openly , don't beat them Turkish idiots on the streets for they might get angry stuff . For the newly elites would see that yet another attempt to topple them and so go out and beat more people . The newly elites are kind of the people who think putting a seperatist police force in what the maps show to be cities in Turkey is a good thing , they will keep the East under control with such empty gestures while beating down opposition in the West . They simply can not bring themselves to understand they too will be discarded with all their visions of glory , when the Turks end up in concentration camps . Oddly enough as planned by Hitler's bunch ; we were to follow Jews and the Slavs into gas chambers ...
 
even if all political parties close except seculars, they can't get more than 25% of vote.
 
and the stock market gets its investigation to see whether the traders were all now-traitorous White Turks or did they follow the orders from the HQ of the rebelion in Serbia or whatever . The newly elites take the stock market very seriously , it was the economy that destroyed the center Right that had kept the Islamists out of power ...

do not pay too much attention to votes and the hold it represents ; ı was like 11 when this country voted in the referendum for the now derided Constitution and the yes vote has to be something like 92% and people were happy , too .
 
A bit of news:

Following the killing of a Kurd by government forces during a riot in eastern Turkey, the new protests featured a united Kurdish and Turkish crowd:

http://news.yahoo.com/thousands-march-istanbul-solidarity-kurds-185547685.html

article on yahoo said:
"Murderer police, get out of Kurdistan!" some protesters chanted. "This is only the beginning, the struggle continues. The murderer state will pay!"

Turkish forces killed the man and wounded 10 others when they fired on a group protesting against the construction of a gendarmerie outpost in the Kurdish-dominated region.
 
just over a month after the flare-up of the events things are "normal" . Municipality has demolished shops owned by them to increase the area of the park from 50 to 58 000 squaremeters ; the trees now number over 700 . The mall , hotel and the mosque will be built in a former shipyard , it must be the business plan of some corporation yet unnamed ; they have to be , right ? In the coming years , the total floorspace of malls in Turkey is calculated to equal 5 Luxembourgs or Liechtensteins -ı don't know which- in sqaurekilometers ... The Voice of Russia takes almost sadistic pleasure in reporting business reforms nearly everyday , in that either fines against corruption are lowered or corruption is made easier by removing control mechanisms . For that ı refer the Game of Thrones and the Iron Bank of Braavos ; the Rich classes must remain occupied with profits , else they might join the Opposition .

but do not suppose threats of criminal investigations have gone away . Indeed the conspiracy to topple the Goverment gains a different Number One Ringleader everyday , one can hardly keep track . Last night , ı heard Germany is jealous of the new airport of Istanbul because it will be bigger than the one in Frankfurt . Really tempted to say something about the Germans of the 1930s and the way they hated International Jewry , but the latter has also been implicated ... The only people who wanted to topple the Goverment on Day 2 or 3 were those who were already in it or so close , for their own political gains but whatever ... Similarly the leading TV Channel of the Congregation no longer adresses the PM as "Mr." And the style of "warnings" change from people to people , there has even been written notes on TVs about low rate of success in rebellions and like total chance of death , using the word one would normally prefer to refer to -say- sheep killed in a flood . The expert who shames all experts talks of commissions about the F-16 production in the 80s and asking why the F-18 wasn't chosen . This must be a blackmail , by someone who obviously doesn't know what the USN has really felt about the Bug .

followed by the follow up stories . ı must have mentioned the Girl in designer shorts , as a symbol of the affluent urban class . Turns out she is a Palestinian with Turkish citizenship or something . Mainstream media never mentioned that when she was taken to hospital a month ago . It's only now that she is out of intensive care but will still need a second operation for her broken skull we hear anything about her . Her shorts would obviously conflict with the image of Palestinians , our oppressed Muslim Brothers . Never minding the Police would surely be compared to Israelis barring entrance to El Aksa on Fridays or even breaking arms with heavy stones in late 80s ...

and then the parallels with the situation in Egypt . The newly elites have never really hidden their wish to be a role model for the Middle East , using the Muslim Brotherhood as a tool , fool , loyal servant and the basis for the domination around . (Not that Muslim Brotherhood was not thinking of doing the exact opposite ...) Mursi has tried to emulate the Turkish experience of a decade within a single year ; concentrated lying and posturing leading to a royally epic fail . So : One must always know his place and avoid thinking too well of himself like he would avoid the plague but it's unavoidable , this almost Nationalistic angle ; Turkish role model thing has become a truth of sorts . Gezi , too , has its mark down there .

naturally , discontent in Egypt would still be there and extremely high , too , had US nuked us to Kingdom Come right after Mursi was elected . The thing is Turkey has been going through troubles of democratization before practically everybody else in what constitutes the Middle East ; in addition to the head start of 20 to 30 years as a Republic the Colonial rule here is like virtual than actual . Our success or failure tends to be an example .

so just like America avoiding to lift a finger when its "loyal friends" in the Military and among the previous elites of Turkey were removed by conspiracy , it was a topic of conversation at the time the old elites of Egypt were asked to surrender the country to Muslim Brotherhood . For if they did not , America would design their fate accordingly . Hence when the Turkish Goverment could not contain a tiny bunch of tree-lovers nor stare down the famously and previously spineless White Turks and all that in some yet another conspiratorial move to embed the Political Left into the seperatist movement , the Gulf Arabs have decided -with American approval- to add fuel to Mursi's troubles . The Gulfers are already doing one swell job of destroying the Syrian branch of Brotherhood ; all they need in Islamic awareness is that anybody left alive / standing must only follow their command ...

no surprise in that then , when Ankara implies it is so ready to sell the Muslim Brotherhood , by declaring in elections everybody can win , Liberals , Leftists , anybody . Strangely refreshing , considering one never hears anything about the present Goverment can ever lose an election . No backing off anything is the motto here . In the name of looking like reformists they changed the age of school down to 5 . You would have to take a medical for your kid and a paper that officially declares that he / she is a moron if you ever feel the law that requires anybody 60 to 66 months old at school is kinda wrong . Turns out 80% of this year's intake for this lower age group failed to learn to read from September to April . The law will remain of course . The Goverment never retreats , even if global domination is kinda off for the duration . Unless it's something with the Jewish Diaspora . 5 o'clock in the afternoon , a Goverment minister who has been in and out of Goverments for the last 30 years says it was Jews in the foreign media who spun all this thing out of control ; American Embassy says Say what / Say that again and 12 o'clock the Goverment minister didn't say anything like that , though ı think ı saw footage of almost half a minute . No retreats and "not" in Egypt ... It has nothing to do with the latest Saudi narrative -of this last week- on how Etrak-ı Bi-Idrak , the ones without perception , can know nothing about the nuances of Arabic . The idea was that Birdflu could break out in the camps for internally displaced in Turkey in Civil War , not would .And Birdflu only came up because they currently have an epidemic of sorts .

this thread in some Turkish forum could have even more inspiring for me to rant on the subject , but the similarities and differences between Turkey and Egypt topic was sidetracked with a question to Lord Vader on the guided tour he got from an immensely -and rightfully- proud Egyptian Lieutenant on both sides of the Canal . It will have to suffice with a mention of the Shrinks on TV , who declare the Opposition tried to overcome the Goverment and failed in the might and power of the same , hence they are all in Depression . The Generation so great behind a keyboard has utterly failed in the field , jealousy at the success of the newly elites is eatin' 'em so hard . Pity on their patients ...
 
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