Political Identity Crisis; Am I Republican or Democrat?

How would you best describe my views?


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Arctic Daishi

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Please read my entire post before voting in the poll, thank you!

I've had the privilege of growing up with parents who come from very different backgrounds, and having lived in very different areas. My father and his side of my family come from the suburbs and are more of a white-collar, upper middle-class family. My mother and her side of my family come from a very rural area, are small business owners and put a lot of stock in their Christian faith.

I spent the first eight years of my life living in the suburbs, but my parents worked (my father worked three jobs at once at one point) almost all of the time and went to college, so I spent much of my childhood staying with my grandparents on both sides of my family. It wasn't until the turn of the century until the hard work of my parents had paid off, and we moved to rural Missouri, which is where we have resided since I was about 8 years old. For reference, I am nearly 21 years old now and am about to start my third semester of college.

Having grown up experiencing these two different worlds has shaped who I am, and in-turn, my political beliefs. Though I only became interested in politics and philosophy about three or four years ago, my views have changed greatly since then. I started out as a staunch libertarian, then I became more of a mainstream fiscal conservative and now I'm more of a moderate. Therein lies the problem and is the reason I am posing this question to you. We have become such a hyper-polarized society, that there are no more moderates. More and more you have to tow the party-line, or else you'll be seen as a traitor. Even among the political class, people don't seem to recognize that you can disagree with someone on A and B, but still agree with them on C and D; wherein each letter represents a political question.

Today I suppose the best way to describe my political views would be through terms which are no longer commonly used, such as classical liberal, anti-federalist or Jeffersonian democrat. My political role models, excluding my uncle, are Daniel Hannan, Gary Johnson, Ho Chi Minh, John Locke, Nigel Farage, Robert A. Heinlein, Ron Paul and Thomas Jefferson. I hold views from all over the political spectrum and as thus, don't really care for any political party.

I have always viewed civil liberties, including the right to bear arms, as being of the utmost importance in politics. I have never been a social conservative, and as thus, am supportive of lgbt rights and am pro-choice. I also believe that our government, especially the federal government, has become far too corrupt, overbearing and large. Yet, I support some welfare programs for those who truly need it, and have even been toying with the idea of a state-level single-payer or public option healthcare system. However, I am definitely opposed to creating a welfare state. I believe welfare should only go to those who actually need it and are willing to work, and that it should be a temporary step to help people until they can help themselves.

I honestly don't know enough about economics to hold any strong views one way or the other. With that being said, I'd love to learn more about economics and intend to venture more into that field in the future. I do believe the government does have a role in the economy, however, and believe that banks should be heavily regulated. I am also supportive of regulations that actually help workers and protect their rights, but I do believe many regulations are either overbearing or unenforceable. I do support helping local farmers and small business owners, even if that means some government intervention in the economy.

I am also a populist and a reformer. I support major reforms to our political system (at the state level), such as replacing our first-past-the-post system with a instant-runoff voting system. I also support campaign finance reform and implementing a system of publicly financed campaigns. Borrowing from the works of Heinlein, I place a heavy emphasis on not only the rights of the citizens, but also on their civic duties and responsibilities. I am very supportive of conscription, though I recognize that such a system would be costly and difficult to manage (at least at the federal level). I believe one of the major failings of our society is the lack of emphasis placed on the responsibilities of the individual to the state and society as a whole.

On the federal level I support a very constitutional government. I believe that almost everything should be handled by the states, as stated in the Tenth Amendment. The powers granted to the federal government are outlined in the Constitution and should be limited to said powers. Every federal agency should be required to report to Congress after a set time, say every three years, and report on what they have accomplished (if anything). This information will be used to determine if the agency should be eliminated, receive more funding, receive less funding, etc. This not only punishes wasteful and useless agencies, but it gives worthwhile agencies a chance to shine. I support massive federal funding for space exploration and space colonization.

As for foreign policy, I believe in a largely non-interventionist foreign policy, coupled with Thomas Jefferson's idea of creating an empire of liberty. I believe that the best way to ensure perpetual liberty on Earth is to spread Terran ideas and enlarge the United States. By way of enlarging the United States, I believe the United States should become a global world government, a United States of Earth, if you will. Any state with a republican government that respects the Constitution will be welcome become a state. These countries will be able to keep their own government, culture, language and even military. A few countries, such as the United Kingdom, will have to adopt republican governments and make serious improvements in terms of civil liberties (free speech, right to bear arms, etc.), but many others already meet the requirements for statehood (such as Albania, Costa Rica, the Czech Republic, Finland, Georgia, Guyana, Iceland, Israel, Singapore, South Korea, etc.).

Of course, we wouldn't force any country to join the United States, and these countries would join willingly. In order to convince these peoples to join the United States, we would have to builder better bilateral relations with them. We can do this through mutual defense and trade agreements, as well as through foreign aid and through promoting Terran ideals. Most of the world's history, post-1776, is characterized by the United States being viewed as the bastion of freedom and civilization. All over the world people held nothing but positive sentiments towards the United States. Even communists, such as Vladimir Lenin and Ho Chi Minh, held a great deal of respect for the United States and it's ideals. This image has become slightly tainted over the past few years due to both an imperialistic foreign policy and due to our failure to cultivate Western Europe; resulting in Western European children being ungrateful and disrespectful towards the United States and it's ideals. Despite these recent shortcomings, I don't believe it is too late to reverse course and make the world love us again.

I am currently faced with a difficult choice, the choice of choosing a political party. While most people may not give this much thought, I do intend to run for public office someday. At the moment I am contemplating running for my state's legislature, though I do have federal ambitions. My views at the state level are more in-line with the Democratic Party, but my views on federal issues are more in line with the constitutionalist wing of the Republican Party.

I am too conservative for the Democratic Party and too left-wing for the Republican Party. I have considered joining the Democratic Party, though I live in a very rural and conservative district, one in which the word "Democrat" will send my constituents running towards the hills. In addition, I don't get along very well with most Democrats, especially those who hate civil liberties and/or want to create an ever-expanding welfare state. I have also considered joining the Republican Party and I have no doubt that I could easily be elected at the state level as a Republican. However, I am concerned that my views are too left-wing for the Republican Party and would effectively kill my federal aspirations. In addition, I am concerned about the future of the Republican Party, due to both internal problems (the social conservative wing needs to die) and the fact that the liberal media has done nothing but intentionally misportray all Republicans as "racist, sexist, homophobic, slave-owning neo-Nazis." Perhaps most important of all, however, is the fact that I'm not sure which party I would best belong in. Which party do you think best suits my views?
 
You said you started off as a staunch libertarian; why not simply continue to identify as such? It sounds like it fits your views. Your views are not peculiar: the parties themselves have no coherent, consistent, approach. The "fiscal conservatives" are all for using up resources as extravagantly as we can; the "liberals" want to impose a law for everything and have just as terrible a record on civil liberties as the authoritarian right does. Those who are dissatisfied with the parties have good reason to be. We're not the crazy ones.

Like you, I'm all over the board. The way I choose to respond to that is to work on issues that haven't been shoved into some partisan box and buried, issues that are pedestrian and mundane, but impossible to ignore -- like civic infrastructure. I also spend a lot of time thinking about to make an approach appeal to people from different ideologies.


Have you considered running as an independent, standing more on your stance on the issues than party allegiance?
 
You said you started off as a staunch libertarian; why not simply continue to identify as such? It sounds like it fits your views. Your views are not peculiar: the parties themselves have no coherent, consistent, approach. The "fiscal conservatives" are all for using up resources as extravagantly as we can; the "liberals" want to impose a law for everything and have just as terrible a record on civil liberties as the authoritarian right does. Those who are dissatisfied with the parties have good reason to be. We're not the crazy ones.

Like you, I'm all over the board. The way I choose to respond to that is to work on issues that haven't been shoved into some partisan box and buried, issues that are pedestrian and mundane, but impossible to ignore -- like civic infrastructure. I also spend a lot of time thinking about to make an approach appeal to people from different ideologies.


Have you considered running as an independent, standing more on your stance on the issues than party allegiance?

Thank you for taking the time to read my post and respond.

I suppose I could continue to describe myself as a libertarian. I too prefer to look at the issues that almost everyone else tends to ignore, often times coming up with non-partisan solutions of my own.

Whether I like it or not, it is almost impossible for an independent or third-party candidate to make it anywhere where I live, or in the United States in general. I would like to go somewhere in politics and actually be elected into office. Of course, I hope to change this and give independent and third party candidates a chance through electoral and campaign finance reform. I've also been looking into the idea of establishing a non-partisan democracy, such as that of Nebraska. I've also been toying with the idea of abolishing my state legislature's upper house and instead increasing the size of the lower house, thus giving local communities more representation.
 
Politicals opinions aren't separated in 2 clans. Anytime someone tell me that they are right-wing, left-wing, libertarian, communist, liberal, conservative, what have you... I lost a bit of respect for their political opinion.

When I can predict the answer a person will give to any kind of political question, then that person isn't thinking.

The tendency of putting people in some kind of political box need to die in a fire.
 
By the sound of it your political philosophy is still in a state of flux and maturation. As such I don't see that committing yourself to one party or the other at this point in time is going to do anything more than drag you into things that you otherwise haven't really made up your own mind to commit to yet.

If you actually commit to one of the parties, that is going to drag you to believe more what they believe just because that is the information and viewpoint that you will be exposed to all the time.

Rather than commit to a party, I would suggest trying an even handed approach to understanding the differences in what the parties stand for on the issues that are of importance to you. And not just what the 2 side of the argument are, but go further and find out why each side holds the position that it does. Understanding the why and not just the what will go a lot further to letting you develop mature views of your own, rather than just adopting the views of others.
 
You sound like a Rockefeller Republican, considering your Cosmopolitan outlook. However, these are marginalized since the times of Reagan, and since you share many of the economic liberal viewpoints of Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter, I'd say you're a Centrist Democrat. I think you would really feel at home with the Blue Dog Democrats.

Of course, I'm not American, so my opinion not be as valuable as that of your fellow Yanks.
 
Mentioning that some Democrats "hate" civil liberties is certainly not the best thing to do if you want to do anything other than contribute to your country's growing political polarisation. Mentioning that other countries will need to "seriously improve" their civil liberties to meet American expectations is also a great way not to be taken seriously outside the United States.
 
Mentioning that some Democrats "hate" civil liberties is certainly not the best thing to do if you want to do anything other than contribute to your country's growing political polarisation. Mentioning that other countries will need to "seriously improve" their civil liberties to meet American expectations is also a great way not to be taken seriously outside the United States.

Truth needs no apology.

@The OP- I don't think making the US Empire bigger and more powerful is a way to make us freer. We should be doing the opposite. I'd stick with the decentralization politics and keep expansion out of it.

I think at the Federal Level you'd probably rule a lot like a libertarian, but at the state level you sound more like a moderate Republican or even moderate Democrat. I think the Constitution Party is probably actually the closest to what you are, not the LP or the GOP, but it depends on exactly how you weight different issues. Of these nuanced views, which ones are most important to you?

If you're going to run for office, and have any kind of small government ideology, run Republican. The Republicans aren't really about small government, but the Republican voters to some extent are, and especially in a conservative district you're more likely to get some traction in the GOP. Most people look primarily at fiscal issues so if you're economically right wing the Democrats probably aren't a good fit, even if you do agree with them on the wedge issues like abortion and gay marriage.
 
Please read my entire post before voting in the poll, thank you!

I believe that the best way to ensure perpetual liberty on Earth is to spread Terran ideas and enlarge the United States. By way of enlarging the United States, I believe the United States should become a global world government, a United States of Earth, if you will. Any state with a republican government that respects the Constitution will be welcome become a state. These countries will be able to keep their own government, culture, language and even military. A few countries, such as the United Kingdom, will have to adopt republican governments and make serious improvements in terms of civil liberties (free speech, right to bear arms, etc.), but many others already meet the requirements for statehood (such as Albania, Costa Rica, the Czech Republic, Finland, Georgia, Guyana, Iceland, Israel, Singapore, South Korea, etc.).

Interesting & scary thought. From this side of Atlantic the famously impotent UN seems much more likely to act as an umbrella for a global government.

From a more personal perspective I assume that you know next to nothing about Finnish laws about gun ownership but the positive view is based on pure number of guns per capita never mind free speech laws and other stuff. If anything US as a state is hardly admired here but more likely to be a clear f***ed up example what happens when free market rules - practically nobody wants to go in that direction.

The right to bear arms is by no means a civil liberty issue here and especially after the 2nd school shooting it's more likely that hand guns will get banned altogether than we'd have more 'liberties' in that area.

In case of a vote to join such an alliance with US or Russia US would win but if there was a 3rd choice we'd take it without a hesitation.

Sorry about derailing this without giving real answers but our political spectrum's center differs so violently from your's that it diminished the value of an advice but something along the lines of if a heavenly imaginary friend rules your politics go GOP and if you're rational thinker go with Dems; 3rd parties are to approached with caution until the highly bi-polar system collapses however such entities are encouraged to blossom.
 
but more likely to be a clear f***ed up example what happens when free market rules - practically nobody wants to go in that direction.

The free market has been basically destroyed in the US. Granted, the rich have a lot of power right now, but that's not the same thing as a free market. We're being destroyed by crony capitalism.

If you really want to learn about what's wrong with the US, don't look here, look over there
The right to bear arms is by no means a civil liberty issue .

Of course it is! How is it not? That makes no sense.

Sorry about derailing this without giving real answers but our political spectrum's center differs so violently from your's that it diminished the value of an advice but something along the lines of if a heavenly imaginary friend rules your politics go GOP and if you're rational thinker go with Dems; 3rd parties are to approached with caution until the highly bi-polar system collapses however such entities are encouraged to blossom.

No, its more like, if you support huge government and endless war, go to the Democratic Party, if you want endless war and huge government, choose the Republican Party, if you want anything resembling freedom, pick neither or try to help the small but growing liberty movement in the GOP.
 
The free market has been basically destroyed in the US. Granted, the rich have a lot of power right now, but that's not the same thing as a free market. We're being destroyed by crony capitalism.

That's still virtually irrelevant in regards of local politics which I was referring to. For Finland to close the gap between Finland & US would mean less regulation here and that doesn't generally please the public - it seems to appreciate the current system more than most of the others.

Of course it is! How is it not? That makes no sense.

Quoting limited parts of text is fine but please, don't mutilate it by leaving out the essentials; that's what Faux News is for. What I said was "The right to bear arms is by no means a civil liberty issue HERE" - here obviously meaning Finland.
Civil Rights aren't absolutes but interpretations of individuals or peoples and locally they don't get mixed with one's supposed right to have tool to kill. Whether it makes sense is a matter of opinion.

No, its more like, if you support huge government and endless war, go to the Democratic Party, if you want endless war and huge government, choose the Republican Party, if you want anything resembling freedom, pick neither or try to help the small but growing liberty movement in the GOP.

Like I said we're far away in more than one respect.
 
That's still virtually irrelevant in regards of local politics which I was referring to. For Finland to close the gap between Finland & US would mean less regulation here and that doesn't generally please the public - it seems to appreciate the current system more than most of the others.

I don't know much about your country so I won't go there. But to assume the USA is a laissez faire paradise is simply false, and pretending like it does unfairly slants public opinion towards regulation.

If you want to see the effects of a REAL nearly-laissez faire economy, just look at the booming of the '20s.

Quoting limited parts of text is fine but please, don't mutilate it by leaving out the essentials; that's what Faux News is for. What I said was "The right to bear arms is by no means a civil liberty issue HERE" - here obviously meaning Finland.
Civil Rights aren't absolutes but interpretations of individuals or peoples and locally they don't get mixed with one's supposed right to have tool to kill. Whether it makes sense is a matter of opinion.

OK, I wasn't trying to mutilate your text but I misunderstood. I thought you were stating that in your opinion firearms weren't a civil rights issue. YOu were actualyl stating how your country felt about it. I misunderstood.

That said, you're simply wrong that rights are a matter of opinion. Rights are self-evident and are facts.

I don't like Faux News, BTW, but the left-wing media here also sucks. Liberty is incompatible with the "Right" or the "Left" and both sides hate it.


Like I said we're far away in more than one respect.

I've got no doubt. Finland can do what it wants, I don't really care as long as they don't come over here and attack us:p The United States, however, is a long long way from home.
 
OK, I wasn't trying to mutilate your text but I misunderstood. I thought you were stating that in your opinion firearms weren't a civil rights issue. YOu were actualyl stating how your country felt about it.

No worries, it happens.

That said, you're simply wrong that rights are a matter of opinion. Rights are self-evident and are facts.

I wish they were but apparently it isn't so. There is a difference how people view things like liberty. In an extremely simplified it goes something like this: for you it means right to bear arms while for us it means to be free from threat that guns pose. Obviously neither are absolute but you'll get the point.

I don't like Faux News, BTW, but the left-wing media here also sucks. Liberty is incompatible with the "Right" or the "Left" and both sides hate it.

With that I'd agree and FN just came up first as a known news source. I actually like FN as comedy but I wouldn't want anyone to confuse their stories with news.


Finland can do what it wants, I don't really care as long as they don't come over here and attack us:p The United States, however, is a long long way from home.

I think you can sleep safely.
 
I wish they were but apparently it isn't so. There is a difference how people view things like liberty. In an extremely simplified it goes something like this: for you it means right to bear arms while for us it means to be free from threat that guns pose. Obviously neither are absolute but you'll get the point.

"Freedom froms" like this (You're talking about positive rights, but your wording it in such a way to make it appear like a negative right) contradict real negative rights, and are logically incoherent.

With that I'd agree and FN just came up first as a known news source. I actually like FN as comedy but I wouldn't want anyone to confuse their stories with news.

:lol:

I haven't really sat down with Fox and MSNBC to measure which one's "Worse", nor do I care too. The bottom line is that all the mainstream news are propaganda shills for statism. I don't trust anything that's mainstream, they're all bought by bankers and by statists.



I think you can sleep safely.

I wasn't really concerned, if anything I'd be more concerned that my nation would pick yours as a nation-building project for neocons. They won't though, they'll pick another middle eastern islamic nation, because the American people have been brainwashed with the false perception that the Muslims hate us for ou freedoms. They don't have that false perception about the Finish...

This will be my last post on these lines since its drifting off topic.
 
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As for foreign policy, I believe in a largely non-interventionist foreign policy, coupled with Thomas Jefferson's idea of creating an empire of liberty. I believe that the best way to ensure perpetual liberty on Earth is to spread Terran ideas and enlarge the United States. By way of enlarging the United States, I believe the United States should become a global world government, a United States of Earth, if you will. Any state with a republican government that respects the Constitution will be welcome become a state. These countries will be able to keep their own government, culture, language and even military. A few countries, such as the United Kingdom, will have to adopt republican governments and make serious improvements in terms of civil liberties (free speech, right to bear arms, etc.), but many others already meet the requirements for statehood (such as Albania, Costa Rica, the Czech Republic, Finland, Georgia, Guyana, Iceland, Israel, Singapore, South Korea, etc.).

Of course, we wouldn't force any country to join the United States, and these countries would join willingly. In order to convince these peoples to join the United States, we would have to builder better bilateral relations with them. We can do this through mutual defense and trade agreements, as well as through foreign aid and through promoting Terran ideals. Most of the world's history, post-1776, is characterized by the United States being viewed as the bastion of freedom and civilization. All over the world people held nothing but positive sentiments towards the United States. Even communists, such as Vladimir Lenin and Ho Chi Minh, held a great deal of respect for the United States and it's ideals. This image has become slightly tainted over the past few years due to both an imperialistic foreign policy and due to our failure to cultivate Western Europe; resulting in Western European children being ungrateful and disrespectful towards the United States and it's ideals. Despite these recent shortcomings, I don't believe it is too late to reverse course and make the world love us again.

With an attitude like that we Europeans will never willingly subjugate ourselves to US oppression. You are entitled to your strange views of liberty, but please keep them on your side of the Atlantic, thank you very much.

The US Constitution was very advanced for its time, but it is showing its age. Accepting it would actually be a giant step backwards for us.
 
Accepting it would be a giant step forward, but I don't want the US government to rule over any more territory than it already does. You guys can have your socialism:p
 
With an attitude like that we Europeans will never willingly subjugate ourselves to US oppression. You are entitled to your strange views of liberty, but please keep them on your side of the Atlantic, thank you very much.

The US Constitution was very advanced for its time, but it is showing its age. Accepting it would actually be a giant step backwards for us.

I don't think anyone would go along with his reactionary (and it is reactionary) foreign policy, which recalls the doctrines of manifest destiny, and the imperialistic (and false) doctrines of American Exceptionalism.
 
I don't think anyone would go along with his reactionary (and it is reactionary) foreign policy, which recalls the doctrines of manifest destiny, and the imperialistic (and false) doctrines of American Exceptionalism.

I think we might actually agree on something!:p;)

In all seriousness, if I can say one good thing about your Catholic Church, it doesn't rabidly worship America the same way some parts of Evangelicalism do, from my experience.
 
if I can say one good thing about the Catholic Church, it doesn't rabidly worship America the same way some parts of Evangelicalism do, from my experience.

Fixed it for you, it is not "my" Catholic Church, it is the Catholic Church, and I belong to it, not the other way around.

With regards to agreeing on something. I don't understand why you are so surprised, I would of presumed we would actually agree on quite a lot of things (despite of your adherence to the absurdly radical individualism of libertarianism). Anyways, my point is American exceptionalism is an absurd doctrine (you are a country like any other) that is full of hubris, and falsely presumes that "american values" are universal ones.
 
Fixed it for you, it is not "my" Catholic Church, it is the Catholic Church, and I belong to it, not the other way around.

You're Church is the Catholic Church, but it is not the catholic church:p

In all seriousness though, there was no back handed insult intended there, I simply was trying to say that you were part of the Catholic Church, but I worded it awkwardly.
With regards to agreeing on something. I don't understand why you are so surprised, I would of presumed we would actually agree on quite a lot of things (despite of your adherence to the absurdly radical individualism of libertarianism). Anyways, my point is American exceptionalism is an absurd doctrine (you are a country like any other) that is full of hubris, and falsely presumes that "american values" are universal ones.

I was only kidding. I probably agree with you at least as often, if not more often, than I agree with the mainstream right wingers in the US. Catholic Just War theory makes a crapload more sense than the "Kill anything that moves" philosophy of the American Right (Well, that's what I call it, they call it "Protecting Democracy" or other euphamisms:p). I think Just War theory has some issues, so I'm even more anti-war than that theory is, but Augustine was wise, in my opinion, to argue for only a limited amount of circumstances where war is justified.

American Exceptionalism is of course a ridiculous doctrine. Although, we aren't JUST a country like any other. No country has a right to police the world, but America is the only country that pretends like it does:mischief:

The American Founding tradition is pretty exceptional (Although not in a religious sense) but we lost that a long, long time ago.
 
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