Polygon pre-order article includes additional information on DLC

[Eagle Pursuit]

Can we believe this EGdata site? There's more info here.

https://egdata.app/offers/e54fe70dd19243069a341316310a1daa/related

Huh. It looks like a version of SteamDB but for Epic.

 

[Krikkit1]

Per that link, these are the data-mined leaders and civs across both DLCs:

*New Leaders*

1. Ada Lovelace

2. Genghis Khan

3. Lakshmibai

4. Simon Bolivar

*New Civs*

1. Bulgaria

2. Carthage

3. Dai Viet

4. Great Britain

5. Nepal

6. Silla

7. Qajar

8. Assyria

If the Crossroads civ all have a wonder already in the game, then they are (ages of Wonders)
Antiquity: Assyria, Nepal, Silla
Exploration: None
Modern: Britain

For Rule, that means?
Antiquity: Carthage
Exploration: Bulgaria, Dai Viet?
Modern: Qajar

Which means total it comes out to 14-13-12

 

[tedhebert]

It's all right; I'm already planning to learn to mod so I can fix the mess they've made of my favorite civ. And so help me, if they did make "Carthage" the Punic War civ...I'm modding France into Quebec with a Poutine Seller unique civilian unit and Angry Hockey Fan unique military unit while I'm at it.

Are you threatening me with a good time, sir?

I'd play that

I might take exception to this statement if it wasn't so funny

 

[Archanist]

I really wonder how Lovelace is gonna play. I hope they pull something good because I wouldn't want her to have generic scientific and production bonuses.

 

[lo24681]

If the Crossroads civ all have a wonder already in the game, then they are (ages of Wonders)
Antiquity: Assyria, Nepal, Silla
Exploration: None
Modern: Britain

For Rule, that means?
Antiquity: Carthage
Exploration: Bulgaria, Dai Viet?
Modern: Qajar

Which means total it comes out to 14-13-12

people are speculating Nepal in Modern to even things out tho.

 

[Kwami]

So no more Japan? That's too bad.

 

[tedhebert]

I must say... those repeated leaks are killing my buzz a little... I kinda like the way FXS reveals the leaders and civs... And the fun we have trying to guess them beforehand

EDIT: I wonder now if FXS changes the content of what will be revealed during the livestream tomorrow... too late you think ? If they hadn't planned on announcing all this I mean....

 

[Black Gate]

If the Crossroads civ all have a wonder already in the game, then they are (ages of Wonders)
Antiquity: Assyria, Nepal, Silla
Exploration: None
Modern: Britain

For Rule, that means?
Antiquity: Carthage
Exploration: Bulgaria, Dai Viet?
Modern: Qajar

Which means total it comes out to 14-13-12

Nepal are likely exploration to interact with religion. Dai Viet was around for a very long time and really only got more powerful with time so could fit in modern. The only reason they "ended" in 1804 was that the ruling dynasty was replaced by the Nguyens who renamed the country to Viet Nam (and then got conquered by France a little later). I don't think the listed "new wonders" are related to civs, Firaxis will add wonders when necessary regardless of what the DLC says. IMO RtR is including extra wonders, possibly to replace Silla and Assyria removing wonders from the unassociated antiquity pool.

Crossroads:
Carthage (A), Bulgaria (E), Nepal (E), Britain (M)
RtR:
Assyria (A), Silla (A), Qajar (M), Dai Viet (M)

For a grand total of 13/13/13 when the Shawnee are included.

 

[Krikkit1]

Nepal are likely exploration to interact with religion. Dai Viet was around for a very long time and really only got more powerful with time so could fit in modern. The only reason they "ended" in 1804 was that the ruling dynasty was replaced by the Nguyens who renamed the country to Viet Nam (and then got conquered by France a little later). I don't think the listed "new wonders" are related to civs, Firaxis will add wonders when necessary regardless of what the DLC says. IMO RtR is including extra wonders, possibly to replace Silla and Assyria removing wonders from the unassociated antiquity pool.

Crossroads:
Carthage (A), Bulgaria (E), Nepal (E), Britain (M)
RtR:
Assyria (A), Silla (A), Qajar (M), Dai Viet (M)

For a grand total of 13/13/13 when the Shawnee are included.

That makes sense. they could probably switch Nepal and Dai Viet for actual time if they wanted

 

[lo24681]

the Polygon leak indicates that Crossroads is Carthage, Bulgaria, Nepal, and Britain, so if its accurate, than that likely means either some civs won't have a unique wonder, or associated wonders are not included in the new wonders they are describing in the description.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

And Carthage and Bulgaria have no Wonders to be in Crossroads

It's been suggested that the associated wonders are wrapped into the civ, not as a separate line item in the DLC

 

[Black Gate]

And Carthage and Bulgaria have no Wonders to be in Crossroads

And as I said, those listed items are extra wonders. Right to Rule, as it seems, is including up to eight total wonders. Four completely new unassociated ones, and up to four associated with the new civs (although Assyria and Silla will likely take two currently unassociated ones from the base game). Polygon have already said that Carthage, Bulgaria, Nepal and Britain are in Crossroads.

 

[Kimiimaro]

Ooh, I did want Qajars to be included as modern iteration of the Persian civilisation, being a great lover of their art and architecture, but I didn't particularly expect them to happen due to Safavids being the more likely choice. Nice surprise to find in the morning.

I wonder if their inclusion will have ancient Persia change name to Achaemenid.

 

[8housesofelixir]

Ooh, I did want Qajars to be included as modern iteration of the Persian civilisation, being a great lover of their art and architecture, but I didn't particularly expect them to happen due to Safavids being the more likely choice. Nice surprise to find in the morning.

I think it means that FXS is planning to have Safavids as an Exploration civ.

It has already been noted that both Safavid and Ottomans (the most important rival of the Safavids) are IPs in the Exploration Age. And an Achaemenid-Safavid-Qajar progression for Iran sounds decent.

(The problem might be that 1. how to design Safavids and Qajars differently in terms of gameplay 2. if Ottomans are in the 2nd Age, then what would be the Anatolian civ in the 3rd Age, if there would be any?)

 

[DogeEnricoDandolo]

Crossroads:
Carthage (A), Bulgaria (E), Nepal (E), Britain (M)
RtR:
Assyria (A), Silla (A), Qajar (M), Dai Viet (M)

For a grand total of 13/13/13 when the Shawnee are included.

I think the only 3 which can fit in multiple ages are Dai Viet, Bulgaria and Nepal. From my perspective, just the fact they are using the name DV overwhelmingly means they are going for an Exploration age vietnam. I know some may argue "Modern Vietnam" may have a communist connotation, so they go for a "Modern DV", I just don't buy it. If they want a Modern Vietnam and avoid association with communism, they can design the UUs and UI accordingly, or they can call the civ Nguyen, similar to how they name China.
That leaves Bulgaria and Nepal, one E and one M. Of course since both nations still exist, they can fit both ages, but as someone pointed out previously, Nepal is more likely E, since we lack a civ that interacts meaningfully with religions, a mechanic limited to the E age.

 

[TheGhostEnthusiast]

That leaves Bulgaria and Nepal, one E and one M. Of course since both nations still exist, they can fit both ages, but as someone pointed out previously, Nepal is more likely E, since we lack a civ that interacts meaningfully with religions, a mechanic limited to the E age.

Considering that Bulgaria would work for a Greece -> Bulgaria -> Russia Eastern Europe route if it's in Exploration and that the DLC adds an Antiquity and Exploration civ that both mingle with the other Asia paths before counting Nepal, I'd bet on Exploration Bulgaria and Modern Nepal.

 

[Kimiimaro]

1. how to design Safavids and Qajars differently in terms of gameplay

I picture the Safavids leaning more into militarism or economy, maybe religion (given that they were the dynasty which cemented Shia Islam as the state religion of Iran) and Qajars more into culture. As for unique military units, the Safavids could get the Qizilbash and the Qajars the Zamburaks. For associated wonders, I picture Naqsh-e Jahan or the Shah Mosque for the Safavids and Golestan palace or maybe the Pink Mosque of Shiraz for the Qajars.

 

[Siptah]

Nepal can easily be modern and still about the Malla dynasty with their Durbar Square Unique Quarter and Pagoda Unique Building. And the inevitable Gurkha UU.

Maybe they build the Machapuchare /s

The latter is a great and long overdue addition. I consider it to be the most iconic mountain in the world - Matterhorn and the western bias aside.

 

[Verified_Confection_Being]

Interesting that they've gone specifically with "Great Britain", and not "Britain" or "United Kingdom". Great Britain is defunct as a political entity by 1801, so plenty of 4th age wiggle room there...

 

[Siptah]

Interesting that they've gone specifically with "Great Britain", and not "Britain" or "United Kingdom". Great Britain is defunct as a political entity by 1801, so plenty of 4th age wiggle room there...

I wouldn‘t read too much into the name yet. We had other specification that didn‘t make it into the final game, e.g., colonial America and ancient Egypt.

I‘m personally always a bit unsure when people use Great Britain for a political entity. To me, that’s always the island it was named after, as the historical kingdom after the act of union is nowadays also just referred to as UK. Hence, I would have preferred either that or plain Britain over Great Britain.