woody60707
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So the courts ruled that the people voted wrong? That's convenient. I'm starting to think all these lobbyist are paying off the wrong people in this country.
Pop 8 ruled unconstitutional by 9th Circuit panel!
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No, the courts ruled that Prop 8 was unconstitutional.
The court did not say that the people "voted wrong". The court said that you cannot enact a law which is not compatible with the Constitution. If you don't like the Constitution, you have to amend it. Not ignore it.
Same here. But until we can get rid of marriage incentives, I'd still prefer if they're available for everyone regardless of orientation.
(I do think having and raising children should be incentivised, though, in whatever form).
The other motives aren't any better than the religious ones. It doesn't matter where intolerance and bigotry come from. All the motives come down to something unsavory.
woody60707
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But only in CA? Other states have the right to regulate marriage still. Why didn't the courts stop the constitutional amendment from taking place then 4 years ago (wasn't ruled the vote was legal, can't remember.)?
These reads like the 9th will only "find" (fun term) laws that are pro game marriage as having merit. Constitutional amendment like Prop 8 have no merit. And only in CA as this ruling doesn't change anything exempt...
Who was intervening? If two men agree to live together for the rest of their lives (they may even have a nice ceremony) who is stopping them? Noone is showing up at the ceremony, or their house, and physically stopping them. They are free to do whatever they want.
All men are free to marry a woman, regardless of race/religion/sexual orientation and all women are free to marry a man. But a man cannot marry 2 women, or another man, or a child, or a man and a woman, or his sister, etc. Everyone is discriminated against equally in this regard, noone is singled out, noone is punished.
In the US today that's pretty close to true. Though there are some non-religious haters.
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They cannot get the same tax benefits as married couples though so it is not legally bound. There are also other legal benefits and it has happened that a lesiban couple one partner was not allowed to see the other in the hospital (and she died) as they were not legally married, despite not being able to get legally married. I remember reading in the news several years ago.
woody60707
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Oh, so homosexual marriage is now legal in all 50 states. That's great news. Party time!
Why are we just talking about CA and Prop 8. Didn't all these Constitutional amendment just get over tuned?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...al_amendments_banning_same-sex_unions_by_type
The courts haven't gone that far yet. But they will in time.
This court case applied to one law. Other court cases have to deal with other laws.
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Are you seriously pulling out the old pedophilia and beastiality argument, capslock?
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Children cannot enter a legal contract anyways. With the sister that is incense.
woody60707
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But all those other (state) constitutional amendments (and there is a lot) that ban or limit same sex marriage are still legal? Well that seems odd. One could almost say...unconstitutional.
The right to a constitutional amendment that bans same sex marriage. The courts said there was no merit to Porp 8. Still sound like to me the courts rule the people voted wrong.
Exactly. But then that's the way the courts work. A bit at a time.
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Just out of interest; which ones?
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THIS decision doesn't affect a state like Arizona, which has almost a verbatim copy of Pop. 8. However, once the Supreme Court takes up the issue, it will affect all states.
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