Thanks for embarrasing yourself, it was too easy to argue with you.
Calling yourself the EU does not get rid of your history.
...and the point goes flying right over his head
.
The point was, in case a clear statement of it was not enough, that the US has done bad things. Europe has done bad things, too, but that does not mean the US has not done any bad stuff. So, the person who said that he would go with the US because Europe has done bad stuff did not have a good point, because the US has done much of the same stuff.
And I'm not even in the EU.
And, as for that:
Your being ignorant. At the time those were british colonies and not america is in today. And if you really want to be stupid, there was religious persecution in europe at the time.
Calling yourself the US does not get rid of your history.
Changed the word in bold.
What victims? I dont recall any real witch trials or people going to jail for being communist, maybe on other charges but just for the philosophy.
The people who were on the receiving end of this, e.g.
Ok where have the witchhunts and lynchings for homosexuals been? I must of missed them
"During the 1980s and 1990s, most developed countries,
with the notable exception of the United States of America, enacted laws decriminalizing homosexual behavior and prohibiting discrimination against lesbians and gays in employment, housing, and services." - Wikipedia (Bolded for emphasis)
What about [the illegal immigrants]?
Come on! Living in poverty? Not enough resources to live a good life? Want to move to the US, but are not allowed?
[On child labour:]
Ok, my country has a bad history of child labour in the 19th century. This doesn't mean that the US doesn't, and so is beside the point.
What about [the southern states]?
Ok, I phrased that badly. What I was aiming for was
this.
Yah like europeans never practiced slavery.
Yeah, we did, but "our" abolitionist movements started winning ground in different countries already in the latter half of the 16th century. For that matter, my country hasn't practiced slavery for approx. 1000 years.
On the KKK:
Yes the untited states is represented by a crazy cult.
"At its peak in the early 1920s, the organization included about 15% of the nation's eligible population" - Wikipedia, article on the KKK
On Vietnam:
Maybe one of the only real truths in your whole post.
Thank you. Frankly, I'm surprised that you didn't defend it.
On the Iraq war:
Which your E.U volunteered in and sent troops for?
Maybe, but "we" didn't ever support Saddam Hussein (Disregarding France), unlike the US did. Also, only the UK actually supported the thing.
Do you even know what the bay of pigs was?
Yep. A military operation that aimed to oust Fidel Castro from power. My point was, the US didn't exactly treat those rebels they encouraged very well, what with the "leaving them there to die without support" thing.
On the '60s gov't drug experiments:
??? Have you been reading propoganda?
Maybe, if High School history class in Ohio counts as propaganda.
"Beginning in the 1950s the Central Intelligence Agency began a research program code named Project MKULTRA. Experiments included administering LSD to CIA employees, military personnel, doctors, other government agents, prostitutes, mentally ill patients, and members of the general public in order to study their reactions,
usually without the subject's knowledge. The project was revealed in the US congressional Rockefeller Commission report." - Wikipedia, LSD article
Tell that to europeans also. It wasnt just americans that persecuted indians. What about the spanish or british in america?
Ok, so Europeans powers mistreated them, too (Disregarding the fact that the US mainly consists of seceded elements of European powers), but the point being that the US has also done bad stuff, I don't see how that disproves my point.
On Japanese-American internment camps:
Whats that have to do with warmongering?
"Long and violent history" and "warmongering" are two separate things.
On African-American gangs:
Are you trying to be stupid?
No. If they had been treated fairly and been given a decent chance at life, they probably wouldn't have been doing that stuff, seeing as to how my own country is suspiciously free of such things outside the capitol city (In which the situation is less than optimal, but still far below US standards.
On the Kent State shootings:
Ahh, could it be you never heard of
this?
On Guantanamo Bay:
Another truth out of the BS. Not very insightful on your part.
I was going to post here a quote on the situation over there, but I realized that would take too many pages. Instead, read
this.
On the death penalty:
Ignoring your european history are we?
We've stopped.
On the nukes:
Tell that to the British who firebombed german cities.
Somehow, that pales in comparison...
Thank you for showing us what a marvelous grasp of US history you have, and to what extent you know how to use your sources.
And if you want to argue the "changing names doesn't mean leaving your atrocities behind", then all the European atrocities from before the American revolution also falls on your head. The EU has not simply changed its name. It is a whole new thing that did not exist before.
...and, again, in case you missed it:
I do not live in the EU.
Thank you.
(But what part of the wolrd is Kari Byron?)
