Prices are insane

[Red Adept]

They are literally selling alternate textures for the fog of war:

I expect the Fog of War texture we see in the demo is the alternate upgraded texture and that the standard fog of the unknown is what we normally get. I personally like the tile look and it will weigh in on my decision between levels.

 

[bbbt]

Consider this: It’s possible to buy a highly-rated course on Udemy that could change your financial trajectory forever for less than $15.

(Yes, most courses on Udemy are trash, but there are some gems available.)

I'm not clear if you are saying that it's overpriced (compared to cost of Udemy course), or telling people who think it's overpriced they need to improve their financial trajectory

 

[DSYoungEsq]

IIRC, this doesn't actually come with the game.

You can buy the Collector's Edition with or without the game. If you buy it with the game, it comes with the Founders Edition baked in. That is priced in the US at $280. If you buy it sans game, it comes at the cost of $150. Notice that the Founders Edition is not discounted in the bundled version. But if you want to buy either Standard or Deluxe Edition, you can get the Collector's Edition for an added $150.

See: https://finalbossbundle.com/product...vii-collectors-edition?variant=45334836150421

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

You can buy the Collector's Edition with or without the game.

How and why is that a thing?

 

[DSYoungEsq]

How and why is that a thing?

Well, I certainly am not all about buying extraneous game bling, but I do know some people like that sort of thing. The Collector's Edition is primarily for them. YMMV.

 

[SammyKhalifa]

Well, I certainly am not all about buying extraneous game bling, but I do know some people like that sort of thing. The Collector's Edition is primarily for them. YMMV.

Agree, but I totally would have bought one of those cool Civ5 steins they showed on some of their streams . . .

 

[Coldringo6]

I apologize if this has been asked elsewhere, but...I am the proud owner of 3 copies of Civ 6 (yay?)...one from Steam for PC and Steamdeck, one for the Xbox, and a 3rd to play on my ipad Pro. Anyone know if I'll have to buy multiple copies again since it's launching cross platform? I kind of expect the iOS port will be the exception, but one copy for PC/Steamdeck and Xbox would be great. Thanks all!

 

[MasterPaw]

I apologize if this has been asked elsewhere, but...I am the proud owner of 3 copies of Civ 6 (yay?)...one from Steam for PC and Steamdeck, one for the Xbox, and a 3rd to play on my ipad Pro. Anyone know if I'll have to buy multiple copies again since it's launching cross platform? I kind of expect the iOS port will be the exception, but one copy for PC/Steamdeck and Xbox would be great. Thanks all!

Yes you need to buy it 3 times according to the official website faq

Exception are between ps4/ps5 and Xbox one/s or whatever its called

 

[KayAU]

It is very expensive, I noticed. The prices in Norway, approximately converted to USD:
Standard: 79 USD
Deluxe: 114 USD
Founders: 150 USD

It's a lot, and they are already selling future DLC for a game which is six months from release. It honestly makes me a bit worried Civ 7 could end up like Civ 6, where DLC content was clearly prioritized over refinement of existing systems, and well integrated new ones. Civ 5 got a lot better with its expansions, Civ 6 in my opinion, did not.

Just get Humankind

I am going to get Ara: History Untold, which releases on September 24th! It's not getting all the attention it deserves, but I have played it, and it is extremely promising, mixing turn based 4X with grand strategy. It's looking like it's going to be huge, and extremely detailed. Interesting new mechanics. Giant maps with irregularly shaped regions/subregions and up to 36 players. I am optimistic about Civ 7, but I think Ara is going to be a real contender. The pricing for that is as follows (again Norwegian prices converted to USD)
Standard: 57 USD
Deluxe: 60 USD (adds some leaders and skins)
Premium: 69 USD (adds the artbook and soundtrack)

I get that Civ 7 benefits from being more well known, and having a track record of 6 successful games and several spinoffs. I also get that the future DLC adds to the price, although I don't like the practice of selling it this early. But it is not clear to me that Civ 7 is going to be bigger or better than Ara, and the contrast in pricing and pricing model is very clear.

EDIT: I should mention that the prices for Deluxe and Premium are discounted 10% when you preorder, which is part of the reason why there is only a 3 USD leap between standard and deluxe. That's another thing which I don't really like about Civ 7's pricing. Instead of incentivizing you to preorder with a discount, it seems they do it with exclusive content and early access. To be fair, Ara also has some exclusive content when you pre-order: a skin pack of "gilded" skins for 5 of the game's more than 30 leaders. This is purely cosmetic though, and it is included with all editions when you pre-order.

EDIT 2: I wrote the wrong number of players for Ara. The largest map size can accomodate 36 players, not 34.

 

[Lazy sweeper]

Humankind was also expansive, with a lot of microtransactions.
I got the base game one year later for 40$ if I remember and that's it.
When there will be a packet, to get all DLCs, just them, for a reasonable price (now it's like 59$ and include the base game, whilst individually, it's like 55$)
I will get them.
I got all three major civ VI expansions at full price instead. Much better packages in my mind. Three expansions, that's it.
If they start doing micro-expansions like the Africa pack, or just one Leader civ at a time... well Idk...
I will probably skip them all....

 

[Siptah]

Humankind was also expansive, with a lot of microtransactions.
I got the base game one year later for 40$ if I remember and that's it.
When there will be a packet, to get all DLCs, just them, for a reasonable price (now it's like 59$ and include the base game, whilst individually, it's like 55$)
I will get them.
I got all three major civ VI expansions at full price instead. Much better packages in my mind. Three expansions, that's it.
If they start doing micro-expansions like the Africa pack, or just one Leader civ at a time... well Idk...
I will probably skip them all....

??? civ VI had many one leader/civ at a time DLCs before the expansions came out. One of them was even without a new civ (The Vikings one) and got incredibly bad feedback for it. So much that FXS/2K decided to add another DLC to the Deluxe Edition to compensate.

Now civ 7 is way, way, way worse from the beginning. With the deluxe edition, you are paying for additional unit skins and a different looking fog of war.

By the way: the culture packs for HK are worth their price, if you like the game a bit. They are all great and a ton of new content. On the other hand, the together we rule expansion is a waste of money and time.

 

[Chelloveck]

Does anyone have an (educated) guess for when the 'post-launch' content will be released? If so, which ones do you expect to be day 1 DLC? Trying to work out which version to buy on this basis. Thanks

 

[Thormodr]

It is very expensive, I noticed. The prices in Norway, approximately converted to USD:
Standard: 79 USD
Deluxe: 114 USD
Founders: 150 USD

It's a lot, and they are already selling future DLC for a game which is six months from release. It honestly makes me a bit worried Civ 7 could end up like Civ 6, where DLC content was clearly prioritized over refinement of existing systems, and well integrated new ones. Civ 5 got a lot better with its expansions, Civ 6 in my opinion, did not.



I am going to get Ara: History Untold, which releases on September 24th! It's not getting all the attention it deserves, but I have played it, and it is extremely promising, mixing turn based 4X with grand strategy. It's looking like it's going to be huge, and extremely detailed. Interesting new mechanics. Giant maps with irregularly shaped regions/subregions and up to 36 players. I am optimistic about Civ 7, but I think Ara is going to be a real contender. The pricing for that is as follows (again Norwegian prices converted to USD)
Standard: 57 USD
Deluxe: 60 USD (adds some leaders and skins)
Premium: 69 USD (adds the artbook and soundtrack)

I get that Civ 7 benefits from being more well known, and having a track record of 6 successful games and several spinoffs. I also get that the future DLC adds to the price, although I don't like the practice of selling it this early. But it is not clear to me that Civ 7 is going to be bigger or better than Ara, and the contrast in pricing and pricing model is very clear.

EDIT: I should mention that the prices for Deluxe and Premium are discounted 10% when you preorder, which is part of the reason why there is only a 3 USD leap between standard and deluxe. That's another thing which I don't really like about Civ 7's pricing. Instead of incentivizing you to preorder with a discount, it seems they do it with exclusive content and early access. To be fair, Ara also has some exclusive content when you pre-order: a skin pack of "gilded" skins for 5 of the game's more than 30 leaders. This is purely cosmetic though, and it is included with all editions when you pre-order.

EDIT 2: I wrote the wrong number of players for Ara. The largest map size can accomodate 36 players, not 34.

Yeah, Ara looks pretty cool. It and Old World seem to be the best of the recent Civ likes. I hope Ara gets an Incan Civ.

 

[KayAU]

Yeah, Ara looks pretty cool. It and Old World seem to be the best of the recent Civ likes. I hope Ara gets an Incan Civ.

Old World is good, and I agree it's probably the best of the bunch that have been released so far. It is well designed and has several innovations. But it is also a more narrow game than Civ, covering only a relatively small part of history, and the Crusader Kings-like character management may not be for everybody. For the full scale "Civ" experience, I guess we currently have Humankind and Milennia, but those have their issues. Ara, based on my own time with it, looks extremely promising.

I think there is going to be an Incan civ, it was on the list @Rac made over in the Ara: History Untold thread (post 283, page 15).

 

[Uberfrog]

Does anyone have an (educated) guess for when the 'post-launch' content will be released? If so, which ones do you expect to be day 1 DLC? Trying to work out which version to buy on this basis. Thanks

According to the store page:

The Right To Rule Collection contains 6 DLCs, all of which will be available on or by September 2025 (subject to change).

So they will need to release them at least once per month. The Deluxe Edition content doesn’t have a date, but is described as “post-launch” content so I’d expect anywhere from a month after release.

Personally I will only get the Standard edition. The other packs are too expensive and I don’t particularly value cosmetic content or alternate personas. The DLCs with new civs and leaders are interesting but I can wait and see which civs they pick and how much they will be separately.

 

[Thormodr]

Old World is good, and I agree it's probably the best of the bunch that have been released so far. It is well designed and has several innovations. But it is also a more narrow game than Civ, covering only a relatively small part of history, and the Crusader Kings-like character management may not be for everybody. For the full scale "Civ" experience, I guess we currently have Humankind and Milennia, but those have their issues. Ara, based on my own time with it, looks extremely promising.

I think there is going to be an Incan civ, it was on the list @Rac made over in the Ara: History Untold thread (post 283, page 15).

Thank you! That's quite an impressive lineup of Civs. Getting a bit hyped.

Will read more about Ara on that thread. Competition is good! (Oh and wild animals ala Civ IV makes me quite nostalgic and happy. )

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As for 7, they added an economic victory to the game. Judging by their prices, it looks like it will be them winning that.

 

[Chelloveck]

According to the store page:



So they will need to release them at least once per month. The Deluxe Edition content doesn’t have a date, but is described as “post-launch” content so I’d expect anywhere from a month after release.

Personally I will only get the Standard edition. The other packs are too expensive and I don’t particularly value cosmetic content or alternate personas. The DLCs with new civs and leaders are interesting but I can wait and see which civs they pick and how much they will be separately.

Thank you! I somehow missed that. Yes, I think I will get the standard too.

 

[Leyrann]

I also do not think this is a relevant reply to the conversation, but tell me, have you checked the percent % of the wages and salaries that have been adjusted for inflation? Maybe you live in a nice bubble, in which case good for you, but see the big picture here, inflation only works when the powerless pay for it. If everything was automatically adjusted for inflation instantaneously, it would not serve its purpose. Call me what you want, this is not an economical forum, but your reply sounds like from a very young person.

My wages have been adjusted for inflation across recent years - in fact, there's a direct tie between my wage and minimum wage (110%) and minimum wage and inflation.

I'm probably in the bottom 10% income across everyone on this website who earns their own living (<22k per year, and that's including the government benefits I qualify for) and I have no issue financing something like Civ VII - heck, I wouldn't feel it if I went for the Founder's Edition (which I won't). It's just a matter of not spending your money on stuff you don't need. Which, granted, does vary between countries - I don't have a car, but that's difficult to justify in most of the US.

In fact, view it in another way. If you go to a concert, you buy a ticket for 50 bucks. You spend let's say 10 bucks on transport (gas or a ticket for public transport), then you buy three beers there for another 15 bucks. That's 75 bucks. In other words, more than Civ VII, regular edition. For a single evening of entertainment. What's worth more, hundreds of hours of Civ VII, or a single concert?

And you can do the same calculation with drinking at a pub (say 2 bucks per beer, five per evening, that's 7 evenings at a pub vs years of Civ), holidays (two nights at a hotel is probably more expensive than Civ VII, or even Civ VII Deluxe Edition), clothes that you purchase because you like them instead of because you need them (a single pair of pants can cost as much as Civ VII...), and so on and on.

 

[Vincent_lacruz]

My wages have been adjusted for inflation across recent years - in fact, there's a direct tie between my wage and minimum wage (110%) and minimum wage and inflation.

I'm probably in the bottom 10% income across everyone on this website who earns their own living (<22k per year, and that's including the government benefits I qualify for) and I have no issue financing something like Civ VII - heck, I wouldn't feel it if I went for the Founder's Edition (which I won't). It's just a matter of not spending your money on stuff you don't need. Which, granted, does vary between countries - I don't have a car, but that's difficult to justify in most of the US.

In fact, view it in another way. If you go to a concert, you buy a ticket for 50 bucks. You spend let's say 10 bucks on transport (gas or a ticket for public transport), then you buy three beers there for another 15 bucks. That's 75 bucks. In other words, more than Civ VII, regular edition. For a single evening of entertainment. What's worth more, hundreds of hours of Civ VII, or a single concert?

And you can do the same calculation with drinking at a pub (say 2 bucks per beer, five per evening, that's 7 evenings at a pub vs years of Civ), holidays (two nights at a hotel is probably more expensive than Civ VII, or even Civ VII Deluxe Edition), clothes that you purchase because you like them instead of because you need them (a single pair of pants can cost as much as Civ VII...), and so on and on.

If you take into account the time I played on civ6 (1442 hours.... so far...^^), I would say that the cost per hour is minimal. Hell, even if you buy the whole cost package (210€), it amounts to only 14 cents per hour!^^

 

[Ashbery76]

No way I'm paying that.

I can wait for a few years and DLC's these days for it on a sale.Many strategy games to play.