Private Prisons Booming

[GhostWriter16]

It already isn't though. Lawyers

 

[warpus]

That wasn't the question I wanted answered. The question was are innocent people being arrested simply to provide fodder for private citizens. And if you say they are, provide proof.

You keep talking about a law being bad or not, which is irrelevant to my question.

Isn't it a common practice in the U.S. for police officers to sprinkle crack on innocent black men while they are incapacitated?

 

[ace99]

Isn't it a common practice in the U.S. for police officers to sprinkle crack on innocent black men while they are incapacitated?

Egregiously.

CAMDEN, NJ – The American Civil Liberties Union and the ACLU of New Jersey today announced the filing of a lawsuit on behalf of an innocent Camden, New Jersey man jailed for more than a year as the result of drugs planted on him by police officers later implicated in a wide-scale drug-planting conspiracy affecting nearly 200 other Camden residents.

http://www.aclu.org/drug-law-reform...en-police-officers-who-planted-drugs-suspects

 

[GhostWriter16]

Yet another reason why "Cops and the military are the only ones who can be trusted with weapons" doesn' measure up to reality.

 

[King Kalmah]

That does not say they are arresting innocent people or pushing to have innocent people arrested.

Unless you want to put forward the opinion that governments are inventing laws specifically to produce more prisoners, in which case they still wouldn't be innocent.

The simple fact that a loss of demand for their service would hurt their business is irrelevant.

You are missing the point.Lets say that gun restrictions reach a level where if you own to many guns you may end up paying a fine or going to jail if the law is "invented"....

Or how about making jail terms LONGER for prisoners who smoke weed or do pills...yeah that would help THEM(private prisons) and hurt us(society)...

we should focus on rehabilitation and working with the individual to better themselves...not lock them up and put them to work for 1 cent an hour....

EDIT its not that they are "inventing" them,but they are making them so strong/strengthening the laws to the point where you do anything bad you might go to jail for six months....

I mean what happened to deportation?

we know seek to hold these individuals for as long as possible now or what?

 

[innonimatu]

Can anyone point to anything remotely proving a link between a demand for prisoners (actually, you need to prove that exists too) and innocent people being arrested?

Of course not. Every one of them will be convicted as guilty of something!

Unless you want to put forward the opinion that governments are inventing laws specifically to produce more prisoners, in which case they still wouldn't be innocent.

See, you could get there.

Just legalize slavery and be done with it.

 

[Terxpahseyton]

In any case I'm of the opinion that prison should only be a punishment for people who commit violent crimes, who have to be removed from society until they are rehabilitated because they are a danger to others until that time.

So if you got no money you are more or less free to do what you want as long as you don't physically harm people?
That reminds of a book of the early 20th century I am reading, taking place in England. There not paying your debt (for the simple lack of sufficient income) would get you an instant month of prison time. Which in deed seems horrendous to me.

 

[Kaitzilla]

So if you got no money you are more or less free to do what you want as long as you don't physically harm people?
That reminds of a book of the early 20th century I am reading, taking place in England. There not paying your debt (for the simple lack of sufficient income) would get you an instant month of prison time. Which in deed seems horrendous to me.

Debtor's prison? Ya those are back http://farquharlaw.wordpress.com/20...eware-contempt-of-court-and-the-debtors-exam/

 

[King Kalmah]

Debtor's prison? Ya those are back http://farquharlaw.wordpress.com/20...eware-contempt-of-court-and-the-debtors-exam/

Good to know since I'm in California and I am in debt by 10,000 to some clown for an apartment fee...

yeah like I did that much damage...what'd I do nuke the place?

 

[Terxpahseyton]

That article states to be about imprisonment for the unwillingness to pay debt, not inability. A perhaps at times fine but important line - no? In deed, the article clearly states that to declare private bankruptcy eliminates the possibility of jail time.

 

[shakabrade]

I have another idea for US: Private National Bank.

 

[Patroklos]

Good to know since I'm in California and I am in debt by 10,000 to some clown for an apartment fee...

yeah like I did that much damage...what'd I do nuke the place?

You have never owned a home, right? If you had that amount would not surprise you at all.

 

[Kaitzilla]

That article states to be about imprisonment for the unwillingness to pay debt, not inability. A perhaps at times fine but important line - no? In deed, the article clearly states that to declare private bankruptcy eliminates the possibility of jail time.

Oops your are right. I linked the wrong articles

http://farquharlaw.wordpress.com/20...it-appears-that-it-is-happening-now/#comments
and
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203710704577052373900992432.html?mod=wsj_share_tweet

To make things more odious, things such as child support payments and student loans(which just passed $1 trillion in the USA) can never be discharged during bankruptcy. (Though I've yet to hear about jail over student loans yet)
Child support payment failure leading to jail is morally justifiable to some, but there are also stories of men paying for child support even though they have proven the kid isn't theirs. Turns out in some states, 2 months of being the name on the birth certificate is enough to legally make you the father regardless of whether the kid is really yours. It's a thorny issue.

 

[Verbose]

I have another idea for US: Private National Bank.

The US Federal Reserve is already partly privately owned, if government operated. So that might arguable alreday be on...

 

[ace99]

Yeah I've heard some (Libertarians? Progressives? Socialists?) saying we should nationalize the Fed.

 

[shakabrade]

The US Federal Reserve is already partly privately owned, if government operated. So that might arguable alreday be on...

I was trying to emphasize irony. Isn't it a bit dangerous to leave fiscal policies and money stamping to private company.
USA is already a private state. My country is almost completely owned by foreign banks now and I expect trends from USA to reflect here too. BTW, it has taken 12 years for banks to do so.

I don't hold American people responsible. But you should be aware of modern slavery happening to you and that instead of ''liberating'' around the world you should liberate yourselves. But I can see you are more and more aware of that despite all the censorship and propaganda through American mass media.

 

[Verbose]

I was trying to emphasize irony. Isn't it a bit dangerous to leave fiscal policies and money stamping to private company.
USA is already a private state. My country is almost completely owned by foreign banks now and I expect trends from USA to reflect here too. BTW, it has taken 12 years for banks to do so.

I don't hold American people responsible. But you should be aware of modern slavery happening to you and that instead of ''liberating'' around the world you should liberate yourselves. But I can see you are more and more aware of that despite all the censorship and propaganda through American mass media.

Yes, well, I'm blissfully out of reach of the US media, beyond what I care to go find for myself that is, seeing as I'm in Sweden.

 

[shakabrade]

So two people discussing about deteriorating America are Europeans. It is sad.

 

[Tahuti]

Can anyone point to anything remotely proving a link between a demand for prisoners (actually, you need to prove that exists too) and innocent people being arrested?

Not necessarily that, but it wouldn't be unthinkable that private prisons would lobby for a poll tax that would be 1) a lump sum of money that is collected regardless of a taxpayer's ability to pay and of which 2) failure to pay is a felony offense that requires many years of jail time.