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It doesn't say instantaneously.
Well, the name "Lucifer" is tied to the primarily Christian perception of Satan as a "fallen angel", so I don't believe that it draws directly on an Old Testament source. IIRC, the name is typically seen as his original, angelic name, before his fall from heaven, and is used in contrast with his demonic name, Satan.Yes, yes, I stand corrected... Although Lucifer literally translates to "Lightbearer" or "Lightbringer", but I'm unfamiliar with what the term in Hebrew or Aramaic might be (Lucifer being Latin, from lux - light - and ferre - to carry, so it can't be the original term).
If he wanted to truly be believed by everyone there would be no way to doubt him via internet forums, athiests, forgetfullness, ect.,.
This very thread on the doubts about his existence and the people who don't belive he exists. If he wanted to truly be believed by everyone there would be no way to doubt him via internet forums, athiests, forgetfullness, ect.,.
Faith and science are incompatible - one requires that you be willing to accept things 'because they're true' and the other demands that you reject them all.
Camikaze said:I was meaning that, seeing as God, and religion, is not based on logic*, it cannot de disproved through logic, IMO. If something is based on A, then it cannot be disproved by B, as B was not part of the proof in the first place. Or something like that.
*= by definition. Logic is based on validity, and therefore facts. Religion is not a set of facts, which is why it is a belief, not a law. IMO.
This is absolute nonsense, except on some very narrow and arbitrary definition of "faith" (and indeed of "science"). I've noticed that if there's one thing that people are more dogmatic about than religious claims, it's claims about the nature of religion itself, and this is a prime example. I'm not sure why so many lay people have such a narrow understanding of what the word "faith" - which has had a huge variety of meanings over the centuries - can mean, although I suspect it's something to do with Kierkegaard.
Plotinus said:I'm not going to wade through all of this, having unwisely broken my usual rule and stumbled into it
I'm not going to wade through all of this, having unwisely broken my usual rule and stumbled into it, except to say that the thread title and OP have got nothing to do with each other. The OP is devoted to pointing out inconsistencies or absurdities in the Bible. That doesn't prove that God is imaginary; at best it proves that God didn't write the Bible. I wonder why people have such difficulty distinguishing between issues of this kind.
I thought that faith by definition had no or negative evidence?
Benjamin Whichcote said:I oppose not rational to spiritual - for spiritual is most rational.
Cutlass said:What can you say to biblical literalists who insist that God did write the bible in an attempt to get them to act less dogmatic?
JELEEN said:I am pleased to see that the statement that God, and religion, is not based on logic is still undisputed. Not only that, but it seems to me cold, hard fact and, seeing as Logic has got nothing to do with facts it follows that God nor religion can be disproved by logic. Indeed, since God nor religion have got nothing to do with facts nor logic, they can neither be proved or disproved period.
wat tencharand finally censoring every new bit of thought that came about until the sixties.
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The Church seems to have made a pretty Epic Fail of proving religion by reason: first Aquinas' rubbish proofs, then persecuting Galileo whom they later pardoned, and finally censoring every new bit of thought that came about until the sixties.