Prove God Exists - Version II!

[Phydeaux]

This but a theory - like Darwin's evolution.

Why support this scientific theory?
Because it suits your pathos?

Why not support it?

 

[CurtSibling]

Why not support it?

I know why you support it, as it nominally backs up your own views in creationism.

 

[Phydeaux]

Phydeaux, please stop using inane references to second law. Second law seems to be the final resort of all who believe in God, irrespective of whether they are trying to prove God or disprove evolution.

This is my first time to use it I think. Are you trying to say that every thing does not fall apart? Are you trying to say that the planet earth will last forever? I am saying only that it will not.

 

[CurtSibling]

OK, we have seen that stars have lifecycles, so it is fair to say that one day our planet is going to be splatted.

What does this prove about a god though?

Zilch!

 

[betazed]

@Curt: You accused me of no less than denouncing all humanity as morally inferior and I quote

Also!
If you are setting out to judge all others and denounce all humanity as morally inferior...

Then yes, you had better explain and show some credentials!

Emphasis mine.

As I see your life is too hard as it is anyway since you are on a crusade of sorts, I will let it pass and put this one down as a rare error committed by one who is too busy to see the trivial details as one is championing a higher cause.

But may I also suggest that you not make such wide ranging - and disparaging to boot - comments again?

 

[Phydeaux]

I know why you support it, as it nominally backs up your own views in creationism.

Ah, and you do not support it because it doesn't sopport your theory? There is nothing wrong with that... I believe that every thing falls apart and not because it support my theory, it just happened to support it I've all ways believed it sence I saw bill nye the science guy on tv. (who is an evolutionist who beleaves in the big bang..)

 

[Phydeaux]

Read my post...

Quote:



Originally Posted by Pointlessness

No, I think that my version, makes more sense. I state that the universe is eternal. That means that everything in the universe is eternal. It does not have to come from anywhere. It has always existed, and will always exist.

The belief in god will never make more sense until there is tangible evidence for this god. That means that this god must manifest itself.

Originally Posted by Phydeaux

So I suppose you didn't come from any where and this e-mail didn't come from any where... makes no sense to me that the universe comes from no where. Every thing will brake apart some day, no time doesn't end. We don't know enough about the universe to know if it will end but we know that the stuff in it will. Because the stuff in the universe is falling apart it could not be here for ever so there has to be a point in time when it was "created", what created it is up to your imagination. The thing is for those who don't want to believe is that no matter how far back you go, some thing had to create it so they say some where in a far away land it could happen but that of corse is just a fairy tell. So dream on my friends.

There is evidence for God the thing is you have to ether look at what others have say happened, but this is would be like big foot, they will not believe until they see. Or you could go to God and look for evidence, but you have to believe to go before you can go to God, so there stuck you have to believe to see the evidence, and you will not believe until you see. So believe already it's the only way hehe!

 

[viper275]

I can see why this is in the COLOSSEUM section

Well, here's my 2 cents. I say that you guys that say "It's not possible to prove, it's faith, blah blah blah" are wrong. You are right in that you can't get physical proof of God's existance. Let me give an example: you can't see gravity holding you to the earth's surface, but you know based on scientific facts that gravity exists. It's the same thing here. Science is not disproving the existance of God, it is proving it. I doubt I can do as good as this in explaining, so take a look

 

[CurtSibling]

@Curt: You accused me of no less than denouncing all humanity as morally inferior and I quote


Emphasis mine.

As I see your life is too hard as it is anyway since you are on a crusade of sorts, I will let it pass and put this one down as a rare error committed by one who is too busy to see the trivial details as one is championing a higher cause.

But may I also suggest that you not make such wide ranging - and disparaging to boot - comments again?

Please note, good sir,
that my comment was not aimed at you in person,
It was a musing, a statement to the electronic ether.

But I stand by it.
If a person is out to judge us all based on the edicts of a godhead he champions.
In which case - A mere belief is not enough to validate such a view!

Proof must be given too.

 

[CurtSibling]

I can see why this is in the COLOSSEUM section

Well, here's my 2 cents. I say that you guys that say "It's not possible to prove, it's faith, blah blah blah" are wrong. You are right in that you can't get physical proof of God's existance. Let me give an example: you can't see gravity holding you to the earth's surface, but you know based on scientific facts that gravity exists. It's the same thing here. Science is not disproving the existance of God, it is proving it. I doubt I can do as good as this in explaining, so take a look

A decent-looking site, but it only caters to the religious folk, I fear.

 

[betazed]

this in explaining, so take a look

Yikes.

Let me quote from the very first page of the web site...

An international team of biologists and geochemists discovered a new design feature for the support of advanced life. Marine phytoplankton produce most of the planet’s food and oxygen and play the largest role in removing carbon-dioxide from the atmosphere. The quality of human life depends on the health and abundance of phytoplankton. For some time, scientists have understood that Earth supports a huge abundance of phytoplankton because Earth has been exceptionally fine-tuned to provide enormous quantities of nitrates and iron to the phytoplankton’s environment. Now scientists have found that a third ingredient, silicic acid, must also be present. Since the availability of a large amount of silicic acid in the ocean environment is not anticipated from a naturalistic perspective, its presence, just like the iron and the nitrates, is a hallmark of supernatural design.

So basically what it is saying is that We are here and the environment is perfectly tuned for us and hence this must be designed!

But that is backwards. The environment turned out whatever way it could and we evolved to be almost perfectly tuned to it. The above combines the worst of creationsim and the rare earth hypothesis.

 

[CurtSibling]

Ah, and you do not support it because it doesn't sopport your theory? There is nothing wrong with that... I believe that every thing falls apart and not because it support my theory, it just happened to support it I've all ways believed it sence I saw bill nye the science guy on tv. (who is an evolutionist who beleaves in the big bang..)

You leap to conclusions, sir.

I did not discount anything - Only a god that is not proven.
The universe is so vast that we have nothing but the tiny inklings of what huge environment we are in.

 

[CurtSibling]

Yikes.

Let me quote from the very first page of the web site...



So basically what it is saying is that We are here and the environment is perfectly tuned for us and hence this must be designed!

But that is backwards. The environment turned out whatever way it could and we evolved to be almost perfectly tuned to it. The above combines the worst of creationsim and the rare earth hypothesis.

Funny how any tool will serve the creationist in his doomed quest to prove unsupportable myth....

Even the old enemy of religion, logical science.

 

[the mormegil]

I never said nothing can but eternal, I said my self time never ends. God is not part of our laws he made them, they where not here before then.

I never said that the universe is falling apart, I said that the stuff in side is.
Well stars are burning up for one. The stuff in side the universe is falling apart not even the evolutionist say other. It is a know fact.

No to see the evidence you have to go where the evidence is in this case you need contact with God. You can not get the evidence if you don't believe in God. Do I need to go on?

Why can't the universe be eternal?

The stuff in the universe isn't falling apart, it's changing. There's a big difference but not always obvious.

So to have contact with God you would need to believe in God? How would I know to believe in God? You're saying to get the evidence you need to believe in God, you need to believe in God. A bit Catch 22 don't you think?

 

[the mormegil]

Every thing is made up of energy once the energy is burned up every thing will be gone.

Energy does not burn up, it cannot be destroyed.

 

[Smidlee]

Which goes all the way back to a single celled organism and the start of life.

Wait! you went to far since a single cell isn't a chicken or an egg. this is one of evolutionist many tricks : they uses circular logic then jump to a single cell.

 

[the mormegil]

I can see why this is in the COLOSSEUM section

Well, here's my 2 cents. I say that you guys that say "It's not possible to prove, it's faith, blah blah blah" are wrong. You are right in that you can't get physical proof of God's existance. Let me give an example: you can't see gravity holding you to the earth's surface, but you know based on scientific facts that gravity exists. It's the same thing here. Science is not disproving the existance of God, it is proving it. I doubt I can do as good as this in explaining, so take a look

However, we can see the physical effects of gravity (i.e. the apple dropping) yet we, well me anyway, cannot see the physical effects of God.

That site looks interesting but I was overwhelmed by the amount of information, I didn't know where to start. I simply do not have the time to look through anything in detail at the moment.

 

[the mormegil]

Wait! you went to far since a single cell isn't a chicken or an egg. this is one of evolutionist many tricks : they uses circular logic then jump to a single cell.

Of course a single cell isn't a chicken or an egg. That's what evolution is, organisms change.

 

[CurtSibling]

Wait! you went to far since a single cell isn't a chicken or an egg. this is one of evolutionist many tricks : they uses circular logic then jump to a single cell.

Look at Phydeaux's belief loop if you seek circular logic!

 

[CurtSibling]

Of course a single cell isn't a chicken or an egg. That's what evolution is, organisms change.

It seems creationists have lost the meaning of the very thing they challenge!