Bozo Erectus
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Instead of implementing a ban on Lebanese and Islanders, what they should have done is ban only known gang members. Nobody could possibly object to that, right?
Pub bans Lebanese and Islanders unknown to security staff - should this be allowed?
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Bad Player
Deity
How would you know who are gang members? Also a lot of the troublemakers are just low level thugs not necessarily gang members. We don't have obvious gang membership signage in Australia.
skadistic
Caomhanach
And what a glorious time it was.
Actualy it was just 20 years ago or so. And that was in the north. Your pictures cute. But dishonest. You and I both know that sign would apply to long hair hippies in the 60s and vagrents and a whole host of other people based on non-race issues. But hey its easy to point and cry racism.
Little Raven
On Walkabout
Not at all. We both know you can still refuse service to someone without shoes, someone who's drunk or high, or someone that refuses to speak in a normal tone of voice. You don't see the signs as much as you used to, but that's not because they're illegal...there's just no need anymore. What you can't do is refuse to serve blacks, or latinos, or whites.
Bad Player
Deity
Pubs refuse entry to males if they have too many in a club already - is that allowed?
PrinceOfLeigh
Wigan, England
Trueism.
I don't see how Skadistics sign can be made illegal. Refusing someone entry on their skin colour, whilst I don't think that should be illegal, I can understand, but surely I can stop anyone I feel like entering my property for any other reason?
Little Raven
On Walkabout
In the US? Absolutely. You can even ban males (or females) entirely if you want to...though only the richest can afford to go that route, because you WILL catch flak for it.
You can screen on all kinds of characteristics in the US legally. Just not race or religion. (but the latter is rarely a factor) I have no idea how it works in Australia.
Bad Player
Deity
Yeah bouncers do restrict males at their discretion. I don't see much of a difference between banning someone for one thing that they were born as and another thing they were born as (ie ethnicity and gender).
Little Raven
On Walkabout
People who witnessed the Old South did.
I don't know Australia. Maybe this sort of thing works for them. But I do know the American south, and here it was a disaster of the highest order. I'm happy to say that we have made real progress in ridding ourselves of the legacy, but it's taken generations, and there's still a long way to go. You can understand why we're sensitive to such things.
Bozo Erectus
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Maybe a dress code would help, thugs and gang guys dress kind of shabby dont they?
Bad Player
Deity
I can understand why you or people generally are sensitive to such things - that picture you had is very disturbing.
Bad Player
Deity
From my experience there is (was) a dress code for all? places in Sydney CBD area on Friday and Saturday nights (not weeknights) - collared shirt and dress shoes. This obviously isn't considered enough (I can't remember if Scruphy Murphy's had that dress code but given most? all? of the other ones did I would think they did/do).
HannibalBarka
We are Free
And what about people form a lebanese father and say a lithuinian mother? and people having a Korean mom and a Vanuatuan dad? Are they considered Lebanese and Islander or are they ALright? What about 12% Lebanese and 88% mix of norwegian-Inuit-zulu and Wisigoths? Is there a minimum percentage that takes you from the wrong side to the right one? and what about a "white" folk that was born in Lebanon or Samoa because his parents were having a trip there ? are they lebanese ? Islander ? or White?
Other than that, I agree it is not racism at all ;-)
Other than that, I agree it is not racism at all ;-)
Communisto
Condottiere
I can't say I agree with the policy and it clearly is descrimination despite what the owner says. However it's his pub, he makes the rules, and you can't really argue with the results. I'm sure there's no shortage of pubs for the others to go to in Sydney.
I think private businesses not affiliated with the government should be able to serve the people they wish to, and to deny service to those that they wish to. If that means not serving Lebanese or Islanders, then so be it. If that means not serving black people, or white people or whatever, then fine. Businesses shouldn't be forced to serve people unless denying service would result in serious death or injury. (Like a private hospital refusing to help someone who was just in a car wreck because he was a Jew, or something)
I think this policy is probably a stupid one. But it shouldn't be illegal.
Kosez
Sitting Wool
If that pub has so many bouncers and security, they could just kick out people that make trouble. It's impossible to know how people will behave judging by their nationality. And if some people made disturbances before, they should be prevented to enter the pub.
I mean, the owner just took the easiest road, instead of applying some intelligence.
I mean, the owner just took the easiest road, instead of applying some intelligence.
Mise
isle of lucy
That's okay, Lesbian islanders are welcome at MY pub.
Personally I think that a business owner should have the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason. That said, he'd have been more sensible to tell his bouncers with a wink and a nudge to not let anyone in who "looks like trouble" straight after talking about how much trouble those specific groups are...
Winner
Diverse in Unity
Wow. That would be a major no-no in the US.
But then you guys don't have the Interstate Commerce clause.
I'd do it too. If they have a bad experience with certain groups of people, it's their business that they don't let them enter their pub.
Give capitalism a chance
Little Raven
On Walkabout
*shrug* If it works for Australians, that's their business, not mine.
It didn't work so well here. YMMV.
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