Punching Nazis

[Timsup2nothin]

Yes. If you don't think so then why even post in the thread at all?

Statement of my position in order to be better known by my compatriots, and to get to better know them.

 

[cardgame]

If communism's agricultural failure (whether it was intentional or not) can be held up as a sign of genocide, then why is capitalism' genocide of Ireland never mentioned? Millions starved to satiate the bottom line of British imperialism. The same thing happened in India, not once but twice.

 

[Mouthwash]

I still think @Traitorfish put the point best and in a way that no one has really refuted. Nazis must be stopped as a political force, whether through violent means or not.

Punching random crazies who support Nazism doesn't constitute 'stopping them.'

 

[Lexicus]

They have been "stopped" in the sense that they have about zero chance of taking power in the foreseeable future.

There are at least two in the White House, advising the President. One of those is on the US state committee that decides who to execute without trial using drones.

 

[W|M]

If communism's agricultural failure (whether it was intentional or not) can be held up as a sign of genocide, then why is capitalism' genocide of Ireland never mentioned? Millions starved to satiate the bottom line of British imperialism. The same thing happened in India, not once but twice.

There were actually at least 9 seperate famines from 1858 (The start of the British Raj) to 1947 (Independence) in India

 

[Mouthwash]

There are at least two in the White House, advising the President. One of those is on the US state committee that decides who to execute without trial using drones.

Who are they and what is the evidence that they are Nazis or hold beliefs akin to Nazism? And if you say Steve Bannon I'm not responding, no matter how well thought out your other points are.

 

[W|M]

Doing a ''BUT OTHER PEOPLE DIED TOO'' excuse during Holocaust Memorial day for one, which for some reason only Nazis seem to do

 

[timtofly]

Americanism: Punch first, straighten out the issues later.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Who are they and what is the evidence that they are Nazis or hold beliefs akin to Nazism? And if you say Steve Bannon I'm not responding, no matter how well thought out your other points are.

LOL...so the guy who has clearly established that he does embrace all the main tenets is off the table. Good to know you have such an open mind.

 

[Lexicus]

Who are they and what is the evidence that they are Nazis or hold beliefs akin to Nazism? And if you say Steve Bannon I'm not responding, no matter how well thought out your other points are.

That's okay, you disqualified Steve Bannon so I wasn't planning to respond to you either

For reference, Stephen Miller is the other.

 

[caketastydelish]

I would support punching Nazis. However, to presume everyone with '88' in their username is a Nazi, would make you just as prejudice as the Nazis themselves.

 

[Mouthwash]

Doing a ''BUT OTHER PEOPLE DIED TOO'' excuse during Holocaust Memorial day for one, which for some reason only Nazis seem to do

That is definitely not true. There are plenty of people (including Jews) who don't like that the Holocaust refers *only* to the Jewish killings.

 

[sophie]

That is definitely not true. There are plenty of people (including Jews) who don't like that the Holocaust refers *only* to the Jewish killings.

Yeah, but it's rather like pointing out that there were white slaves too.

 

[caketastydelish]

Yeah, but it's rather like pointing out that there were white slaves too.

I respectfully disagree. The Nazis also persecuted homosexuals, gypsies, other minorities that weren't Jewish, communists, and even ordinary German people who simply spoke out against Hitler. Those people that died like this, deserve to be mentioned.

Also: Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Roman Empire used white slaves. Although I don't think it happened during America's slavery.

 

[Hehehe]

For a "stupid example" it seems to have worked well.

No, I'm not going to punch "potential arsonists" every time someone buys gasoline. The equivalent there would be punching everyone with a mouth because they could start spewing out fascist nonsense about the "virtues" of ethnic cleansing.

But notice that you had no answer for the actual questions, like do you punch them when they are pouring accelerant, or wait until they strike the match? Because that is more in line with the positions taken by many in this thread. "He's only spewing his stuff on the internet, on a street corner, on a stage in front of a few hundred like minded people" or whatever other platitudes. How much momentum do we let his movement gain before we take action? I get that my answer might not be the same as yours, but I've at least made mine pretty clear. The question is where you draw that line...or whether you even do.

And the discussion is valuable specifically because it reveals truths, like the fact that some people don't draw that line at all because they believe their hatred of a group based on religion instead of ethnicity makes them morally superior to "actual nazis." Other people are so focused on "but they might hit me if I try to draw any line" that they literally allow for "anything goes." That's how the example fits into a discussion of "when violence is acceptable."

As for "actual answers", very well, let me spell it out: you "punch" them as soon as they trespass on your property. And by punch, I mean that you let the police handle it. If you go out and punch everyone who buys gasoline, you might soon find that your actions prove to be very unpopular. In a real world case, as I've already stated, I'm not against hate speech laws. Let the cops take care of it. If he advocates for violence, let the police take him away.

 

[Mouthwash]

Yeah, but it's rather like pointing out that there were white slaves too.

Jews were only a small majority and I don't think that they were treated that much worse than other victims, not to mention that saying that the genocide was uniquely Jewish seems incredibly offensive to Gentile victims. You can say it was unique as an event in Jewish history, but I think that's better appreciated from a Jewish perspective.

EDIT: I consider many criticisms of Trump to be low, but nothing is lower than calling him a bigot for not specifically mentioning Jews in his Holocaust Day statement.

 

[sophie]

Jews were only a small majority and I don't think that they were treated that much worse than other victims. Suggesting that the genocide was somehow uniquely Jewish seems incredibly offensive to Gentile victims. You can say it was unique as an event in Jewish history, but I think that's better appreciated from a specifically Jewish perspective.

6 million out of 11 million hardly sounds like a small minority to me. Jewish people were far and away the group most prominently targeted, as well as the population most heavily impacted by the Holocaust. 2/3s of the Jewish population in Europe was wiped out in 4 years.

 

[caketastydelish]

He said small majority not small minority. And anyway, this doesn't take away from what I said, and what he said.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

As for "actual answers", very well, let me spell it out: you "punch" them as soon as they trespass on your property. And by punch, I mean that you let the police handle it. If you go out and punch everyone who buys gasoline, you might soon find that your actions prove to be very unpopular. In a real world case, as I've already stated, I'm not against hate speech laws. Let the cops take care of it. If he advocates for violence, let the police take him away.

It always amazes me when someone is anti-violence..."OMG!!!! You can't PUNCH someone!!!!" but when you say "hey, how about if we hire a surrogate to totally ruin their life?" they are totally down with that. It's like they have no appreciation of the comparative levels of violence involved there and just want to claim their hands are somehow clean.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Now you've lost me. I understood that you'd like to for the US to dissolve, leaving Trump supporters into one and the rest with yourself into another part. This seems likely to result in a mostly white ethnostate for Spencer to enjoy, no?
How would I be a beneficiary or what makes me a hypocrite honestly I don't get.

Er... what?

The US dissolving into constituent states is comparable to the dissolution of the USSR into constituent republics, which I thought pretty much every Estonian considered to be a great outcome.