Punching Nazis

[inthesomeday]

I would punch Eva Braun with the force of a thousand fireworks if I could

 

[Perfection]

Seattle Nazi gets punched unconscious.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4497126/racist-nazi-armband-punched-unconscious-seattle-video

For those who sympathize with people who punch Nazis, does it matter how hard they get punched? Like is it okay if they get slapped around a bit but not okay if they get punched unconscious?

 

[Lexicus]

Seattle Nazi gets punched unconscious.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4497126/racist-nazi-armband-punched-unconscious-seattle-video

For those who sympathize with people who punch Nazis, does it matter how hard they get punched? Like is it okay if they get slapped around a bit but not okay if they get punched unconscious?

I've already watched that video like ten times, it's so cathartic

 

[Arwon]

The best bit is when he's like "nah it's cool" and then gets clocked. Damn that was a clean hit.

At any rate, you dress in a damn swastika demonstrably idolising racist mass murderers and wander the streets yelling abuse at people, this might happen.Object to a punch if you must, but recognise that proudly displaying a nazi symbol and being a nazi is the infinitely more reprehensible thing. That behaviour is a test, an attempt to frighten and see what he can get away with.

There's a bunch of public behaviours that'll get you maybe punched (or pepper sprayed!). Glad "being a loud Nazi" is one.

 

[Kyriakos]

Hm... I really am not seeing how you can applaud this. What if the punch would result to his death? (it can happen; remember that 'Punching game' last year in the US?).

Obviously wearing a nazi armband is vile, and doing that in public space is among the stupidest things you can do. Yet by itself isn't physically violent. I don't know what he said to them, but he sort of looks way too dough-like to be a threat to them (as was aptly demonstrated by the punch, and, btw, why do you think they started filming him if not for what would follow).

PS: pls don't link to the Sun "paper" Chances are it has nazi 'reporters' itself.

 

[Senethro]

Does the physical violence distinction matter or even exist? The armband is a declaration that he intends to threaten particular groups with displacement/killing.

 

[Perfection]

PS: pls don't link to the Sun "paper" Chances are it has nazi 'reporters' itself.

Sorry

 

[Kyriakos]

Does the physical violence distinction matter or even exist? The armband is a declaration that he intends to threaten particular groups with displacement/killing.

Well, this was one clearly not physically imposing (looks like a donut-eater, though maybe that unwittingly alludes to police ) person, talking to (at least) three others (two there, one filming). I don't argue that he isn't a cretin, but he isn't threatening there. If he had a gun, yeah, he could be. As things were... he was just a punchbag.

Sure i can accept that the swastica symbol could make him seem like he is part of actual danger. But dropping (with potentially lethal result; again, such punches can kill) a nobody won't change anything; it isn't as if they dropped some kind of war criminal or a high-ranking nazi.
It would be tragic if they had actually killed him, cause his death would mean no dent in neo-nazism, while it would mean that people are more than ready to be murderous on the spur of the moment and then be idolized by others for very bad reason.

Edit: Spitting him on the face would have been the best thing to do, imo. Still gives a message, without being potentially very dangerous. Although he might then retaliate by using some slur, at which point, yeah, he would be punched or worse.

 

[Ryika]

If he had died, then it would be a hilarious case of "Darwin Award by proxy". (And the guy who punched him would have been off the street for a long time as well, a win-win for society. )

I mean, I could understand if he had worn it to troll people as some kind of a prank, but that guy apparently is an actual nazi who wore the thing in public and assumed that things would just be fine.

 

[El_Machinae]

I see no evidence that he consented to an escalation.

This is aggravated criminal assault. It's a crime. It's a crime for a good reason

 

[Perfection]

If he had died, then it would be a hilarious case of "Darwin Award by proxy". (And the guy who punched him would have been off the street for a long time as well, a win-win for society. )

I mean, I could understand if he had worn it to troll people as some kind of a prank, but that guy apparently is an actual nazi who wore the thing in public and assumed that things would just be fine.

I really can't condone killing or seriously injuring people for being Nazis.

Street corporal punishment where noone is injured is one thing. Killing is too far.

Ultimately a punch that knocks someone out is likely to cause a TBI, and that dude has enough head problems.

 

[Ryika]

I don't condone it either, but seriously, what did he think would happen? It's like a magic Item that has +50 on Chance of Violent Confrontations.

 

[Perfection]

Are we victim blaming here

 

[Ryika]

Hell yeah I'm victim blaming. What an idiot.

 

[stinkubus]

Pretty long thread so I didn't read it all. Has anyone else mentioned WWII as proof that violence against Nazis works?

 

[Senethro]

Hmmmmm does politeness and not initiating unsanctioned violence oblige one to board the train cars meekly?

 

[stinkubus]

Of course. The pleas for civility always ring a bit hollow when they are coming from those advocating genocide.

 

[Lexicus]

Pretty long thread so I didn't read it all. Has anyone else mentioned WWII as proof that violence against Nazis works?

I frequently do. I commented on a Robert Reich facebook post dripping with moral indignation at the violence of "Antifa" asking him if he opposed the US involvement in World War II as this would count as "violence" by most standards. He still hasn't gotten back to me, but I'll let you know if he replies to my comment.

 

[Archon_Wing]

The allies did not fight against World War II against the fascists just because they were fascists though. They did so in self-defense and to prevent further loss of life.If Hitler had been more like Stalin in idelogy (and more than he'd like to admit) he would have been stopped the same. I mean, should I punch a communist in the face?

I don't think anyone would argue, say, if said neo-nazis were accosting a victim, that you wouldn't be fully justified in beating them to the ground and they totally deserved it. But unless you're protecting someoine from physical damage or harassment, you can't just punch someone because you're angry or you don't like them. It's not about punishment. That's what separated World War 1 and World War 2. Instead of destroying those involved, those countries were rebuilt and steps were taken to get rid of the roots of fascism. And for the most part it worked.

The correct analogy would be more of the American invasion of Iraq if you want to just go out and punch them.

 

[Lexicus]

They did so in self-defense and to prevent further loss of life.

This is not why the US intervened in World War II.

And for the most part it worked.

It worked - temporarily.