Random Rants LXXXVI: OH, FUDDLE-DUDDLE!

[Valka D'Ur]

Never took it in my life, but I think I need it now, I already make a thread about sleep, but one of the thing that I realize about myself is, once I woke up from sleep by surprise I just cannot sleep back for quite a long time. I just need to have that sometime when I really need to sleep but I can't, because I think this wrong sleeping pattern affect my health, hence sleeping pill is the lesser evil.

Just be aware that you can wake up groggy. Don't plan on driving or operating complicated machinery until you're fully awake.

 

[H4run]

Just be aware that you can wake up groggy. Don't plan on driving or operating complicated machinery until you're fully awake.

I don't know there are any side effect like this beside it cause unhealthy dependency=really thank you for the warning Valka! so it's not like you get high-quality deep sleep like when you drink strong cough syrup or medicine, or strong cold pills?

 

[Valka D'Ur]

I don't know there are any side effect like this beside it cause unhealthy dependency=really thank you for the warning Valka! so it's not like you get high-quality deep sleep like when you drink strong cough syrup or medicine, or strong cold pills?

Obviously it depends on what kind you take, what strength, and what your sleeping conditions are. I've taken sleeping pills in the hospital just to try to get any sleep at all, since I don't sleep well in that place, period.

It's been many years since I last took cough syrup, but it was never for the purpose of sleeping. So I can't answer that.

But yes, you should only take a sleeping pill if non-pharmaceutical means don't work, because if you become dependent, you'll be at risk of needing larger doses... which for obvious reasons is highly dangerous.

 

[H4run]

Truly your information is really appreciated.

 

[Zkribbler]

Flashback to the Mary Tyler Moore Show:

Mary: Mr. Grant, I've taken sleeping pills ever night for the past three weeks with absolutely no sign of dependence,
Lou: Mary, taking sleeping pills every night for three weeks IS dependence.

 

[Snerk]

I take a melatonin pill every night before going to bed. I can't say for sure that it's all that effective, perhaps it's just a placebo for me. I've got some prescription pills too somewhere but that's very occasional. THC works too and is a lot less dependant but ideally you'll want some sleep routines that doesn't involve taking anything. Can be easier said than done though. Being able to get a decent night sleep is kinda addictive in itself.

 

[The_J]

So I have a few pills of Temazepam here, which I got from my doctor. I got them because I had serious sleeping issues because of the stress due to my move to France and the mess with my ex.
I ended up not taking them, after reading the possible side effects and having a look at wikipedia. I had decided that this was anyways only temporary, and it might not be worth getting addicted.
I sleep wonderfully if I go running the evening before, I get a bit drunk, or take pain killers (paracetamol, simple stuff). Do only recommend the first for long term, obviously.

 

[H4run]

melatonin pill every night before going to bed

I sleep wonderfully if I go running the evening before

I think I found why I more mess up than before, I stop my exercise-I was injured, I need to re-exercise myself and I need Melatonin, to help my sleep and my cell recovery. I'll buy the Melatonin today and start exercise this day.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I take a melatonin pill every night before going to bed. I can't say for sure that it's all that effective, perhaps it's just a placebo for me. I've got some prescription pills too somewhere but that's very occasional. THC works too and is a lot less dependant but ideally you'll want some sleep routines that doesn't involve taking anything. Can be easier said than done though. Being able to get a decent night sleep is kinda addictive in itself.

Introducing external source melatonin consistently may lead to lower production. I dunno if taking it every night is an ideal situation long term.

 

[Snerk]

Introducing external source melatonin consistently may lead to lower production. I dunno if taking it every night is an ideal situation long term.

This is the human body we're talking about, what's ideal is unknown and irrelevant. Data on long term use of melatonin is lacking. There may indeed be long term side effects but it's generally considered a very safe drug. There are definitely long term side effects to insufficient sleep too so taking sleep inducing drugs/supplements is a tricky equations of harm/benefits.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

This is the human body we're talking about, what's ideal is unknown and irrelevant. Data on long term use of melatonin is lacking. There may indeed be long term side effects but it's generally considered a very safe drug. There are definitely long term side effects to insufficient sleep too so taking sleep inducing drugs/supplements is a tricky equations of harm/benefits.

While data about the specifics is lacking, in general supplying an external supplement does inhibit internal production in the long term. The gland becomes accustomed to "levels are already higher than I am programmed to have them, so production curtailed" and over the long term that curtailment impacts the means to produce. In the long term it is almost certainly better to find ways to induce greater production of melatonin than it is to provide the melatonin. Blackout curtains and reduced lighting maybe.

 

[Snerk]

While data about the specifics is lacking, in general supplying an external supplement does inhibit internal production in the long term. The gland becomes accustomed to "levels are already higher than I am programmed to have them, so production curtailed" and over the long term that curtailment impacts the means to produce. In the long term it is almost certainly better to find ways to induce greater production of melatonin than it is to provide the melatonin. Blackout curtains and reduced lighting maybe.

No drugs is always better than drugs if that is an equally viable option. But the usual avoid blue spectrum light and coffee ect ect advises often don't offer sufficient help in getting enough sleep. And not getting enough sleep is never a good option in the long run.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

FWIW, I have found that the surest and safest way for me to get more sleep is more sex.

 

[Snerk]

Does less sex make you more awake then?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Does less sex make you more awake then?

Probably would keep me from getting enough sleep I assume.

 

[Snerk]

Btw Tim is still settling lawsuits from his days as a sleep therapist.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

More like healing from the last time I referred to my gf as my sleep therapist.

 

[Snerk]

Getting laid and sleeping next to someone can be pretty sleep inducing but if you still can't get to sleep it can get a little strenuous sharing a bed with someone who is fast asleep. Specially if they're a cuddler.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I subscribe to the "if it doesn't knock me out I didn't put in enough effort" theory.

 

[aimeeandbeatles]

FWIW, I have found that the surest and safest way for me to get more sleep is more sex.

Safest for whom