Random Rants Q': I protest against subtitles
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But then what happens when he needs to go back to the 44?
Interesting how the CBC article focused on Plummer's movies and Shakespeare performances, but neglected to mention that he'd played a Shakespeare-obsessed Klingon in the 6th Star Trek movie.
William Shatner gave a nice tribute.
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Shakespeare's tragic heroes were obsessed with death. So are Klingons. Seems like a match to me.I found it incongruous that a Klingon would be obsessed wit Shakespeare.
Fun fact: That movie isn't the first Klingons-love-Shakespeare story. One of the novels did it, too, although in a different context. I could quote the relevant passages if my books weren't packed away.
There is this thing, where words that used to mean one thing now mean another. The classic example is decimation, where it used to mean intentionally kill 1 in 10, and now means kill most people. That is fine, we need a way to say kill most people and intentionally killing 1 in 10 people does not come up much. The problem is when the concept that the word used to represent is important if we no longer have a word for that then it makes it harder to talk about, and so include in debate.
The first example of globally openly available public forum, usenet, noticed two particular form of interactions that were damaging to the quality of the debate, and gave them names:
So when these things happen when everyone is listening, we do not have the right words.
The first example of globally openly available public forum, usenet, noticed two particular form of interactions that were damaging to the quality of the debate, and gave them names:
- Flaming: Overzealous expression of sincerely held beliefs
- Trolling: The expression of belief that is not held, purely to provoke a response, particularly flaming
- The definition of the perfect roll is where a single comment by the troll provokes a massive flame war
- The idea is a troll pocks his head above the bridge, says something, and retreats below the bridge to watch the fight
So when these things happen when everyone is listening, we do not have the right words.
- When trump mocked the disabled reporter he was flaming
- When trump said the election was stolen he was trolling, the first person to troll the federal government for some time
By that definition, warpus would be flaming every time he expresses his love for bacon, or Kyriakos for Kafka.
Flaming is overzealous expression of nastiness directed at specific people or groups that is personal and meant to be hurtful or slanderous. That's not mere trolling.
You are right that flaming requires some nastiness directed at specific people or groups that is meant to be hurtful. My point is that trolling is something quite different, and dishonest.
It's the one of Kirk's supposed first mission, involving a group of actors, some Klingons, and one of the actors prefers to express Shakespeare in "normal" language. One of the Klingons was very taken with the "To be or not to be" soliloquy from Hamlet. I'm blanking on the title and author, but as I recall, I thought the book was stupid and not worth what I paid for it.
(and no, this had nothing to do with the Karidians or "The Conscience of the King" episode from the first season)
I'm only partially remembering them myself. It's likely been over 20 years since I read it. I do know the scene you are referring to, but cannot put it into context of the whole story of that book in my memory.
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Or me, with Wuauquikuna.
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Went to a water fountain for a drink.
Promptly got water in face.
At least the water pressure is good.
Promptly got water in face.
At least the water pressure is good.
One could say they're really grim.
(As a child I had nightmares after reading a couple of those stories, and developed a fear of mud puddles. Really.)
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