Random Thoughts IV: the Abyss Gazes Back

[MaryKB]

I have a question @Snerk about your signature ... are you using a double meaning for your boast like what happened with Ozymandias? Basically what I mean is, are you saying moderators should despair not only out of fear but also pity for you?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

When I grow up I want to be a Snerksup2nothin.

It takes longer. I only became Timsup2nothin when I retired.

 

[Snerk]

I have a question @Snerk about your signature ... are you using a double meaning for your boast like what happened with Ozymandias? Basically what I mean is, are you saying moderators should despair not only out of fear but also pity for you?

Hmm, it has to do with a few thing. First it's just a nice little civ4(5?) reference as the original is a tech quote there somewhere. Secondly the original is a really cool sonnet by an equally cool guy. Thirdly it's a bit of lampshading some mod mockery, which is always a plus. Lastly it's just a funny flip of meaning but it's hard to read much more into it as I don't really troll much tbh, plenty of banter but there's no reason to dispair much over my posts, mod or no

It takes longer. I only became Timsup2nothin when I retired.

Bah I'd need about fifteen lifetimes to walk your path.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

Words

Okay... what does that have to do with how your credibility rating works?

To answer your last point though... probably because you "kicking them around" affects them less than you think it does I would suggest.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Okay... what does that have to do with how your credibility rating works?

To answer your last point though... probably because you "kicking them around" affects them less than you think it does I would suggest.

I wasn't necessarily referring to me kicking them around. Take you for example. Maybe I was among the most harsh in responding to your old confederate battle flag avatar, but I have no illusions that me responding harshly prompted any change in your behavior, just like if I'm in that redneck bar and whoop up on a lib'rul I know it isn't me and the whooping that is making any difference. It's the resulting focal point that reveals "hey, the community here is on his side, not mine, even though he is a freaking savage that probably belongs in a cage" that makes the difference. My treatment of you was outrageous by pretty much any standard, but was not only accepted but openly welcomed by the community at large, and that's what sends a message. I could probably get away with saying something outrageously anti-semitic to @Mouthwash, because the community at large would recognize that it was brought on by his behavior not his faith, and his behavior tends to make most people here share my opinion of him. The situation would just bring that to an open head, not really change it.

Now, you aren't the sort who chooses to come around just to be kicked around. Like me, you have your differences with the community at large, have established those differences to your own and everyone else's satisfaction, and mostly hang around the bar enjoying the company without rehashing the old fights. Maybe not everyone has forgiven you your differences or even come to appreciate you for them, but most people I think have accepted you for who you are, and I personally like having you around.

 

[MaryKB]

Hmm, it has to do with a few thing. First it's just a nice little civ4(5?) reference as the original is a tech quote there somewhere. Secondly the original is a really cool sonnet by an equally cool guy. Thirdly it's a bit of lampshading some mod mockery, which is always a plus. Lastly it's just a funny flip of meaning but it's hard to read much more into it as I don't really troll much tbh, plenty of banter but there's no reason to dispair much over my posts, mod or no

Oh I forgot it's used in Civilization 4 (I haven't played in like ten years!), but I do love the Percy Bysshe Shelley poem. I find that part chilling, where he's boasting about his mighty works and how you should fear him, but you despair also if you're mighty realizing for all his greatness he talks about, nothing remains, as a warning to all who think you can gain immortality through power. I love reading your signature every time I read through your posts, I've never seen you trolling but I still think it's brilliant, but also just sort of funny how you can possibly find double meaning in that line you chose, and a moderator may "despair" not out of fear but rather out of pity, lol.

 

[Ryika]

I could probably get away with saying something outrageously anti-semitic to @Mouthwash, because the community at large would recognize that it was brought on by his behavior not his faith

His behavior of having opinions that you don't like?

 

[rah]

I wasn't necessarily referring to me kicking them around. Take you for example. Maybe I was among the most harsh in responding to your old confederate battle flag avatar, but I have no illusions that me responding harshly prompted any change in your behavior, just like if I'm in that redneck bar and whoop up on a lib'rul I know it isn't me and the whooping that is making any difference. It's the resulting focal point that reveals "hey, the community here is on his side, not mine, even though he is a freaking savage that probably belongs in a cage" that makes the difference. My treatment of you was outrageous by pretty much any standard, but was not only accepted but openly welcomed by the community at large, and that's what sends a message. I could probably get away with saying something outrageously anti-semitic to @Mouthwash, because the community at large would recognize that it was brought on by his behavior not his faith, and his behavior tends to make most people here share my opinion of him. The situation would just bring that to an open head, not really change it.

Now, you aren't the sort who chooses to come around just to be kicked around. Like me, you have your differences with the community at large, have established those differences to your own and everyone else's satisfaction, and mostly hang around the bar enjoying the company without rehashing the old fights. Maybe not everyone has forgiven you your differences or even come to appreciate you for them, but most people I think have accepted you for who you are, and I personally like having you around.

If I thought this place was a simple left echo chamber, i'd stop coming here. I look to the posts from the so called enemies of the state to challenge me. While I may laugh at them most of the time, sometime (if rarely) they make a good point or make me understand something that I didn't before.

But there is a right way to do it and a wrong way. But everyone is their own judge.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Hmm, it has to do with a few thing. First it's just a nice little civ4(5?) reference as the original is a tech quote there somewhere. Secondly the original is a really cool sonnet by an equally cool guy. Thirdly it's a bit of lampshading some mod mockery, which is always a plus. Lastly it's just a funny flip of meaning but it's hard to read much more into it as I don't really troll much tbh, plenty of banter but there's no reason to dispair much over my posts, mod or no

Wow. I took it as a warning and have walked in fear of the mighty Snerk for as long as I've been here. I may have to troll you a bit now, just because you have given me confidence.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

His behavior of having opinions that you don't like?

No, his behavior of presenting opinions that hardly anyone likes. I hold very few opinions so dear that I would strongly go after someone just because they disagree with me.

Notice that I might make a passing reminder now and then to my views on police and my views on violence, but I do not present those facets as the base roots of my participation here. I have no interest in being kicked around in a community that I consider to be made up of friends and potential friends.

 

[Ryika]

No, his behavior of having opinions that hardly anyone likes. I hold very few opinions so dear that I would strongly go after someone just because they disagree with me.

Oh, so he doesn't actually do anything wrong other than be in a place that you consider yours.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

I realized yesterday my dog has his own favorite route for our walks.

Of course. Just as you have your own preferred list of people whose emails you enjoy reading, your dog has his own preferred list of dogs whose "p-mail" he enjoys reading.

 

[rah]

My cat used to follow along in the bushes when I took the dog for a walk, (many years ago) and she would get more irritated if I changed the route than the dog did.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Oh, so he doesn't actually do anything wrong other than be in a place that you consider yours.

I don't consider this place "mine." It is a community space. The community, I think, has demonstrated often enough that "Israel should be allowed to conduct genocide against basically defenseless peoples because reasons" is an opinion that is too out of step to let pass without argument. So when that opinion is shoved in again as if the results might be different I believe that it is a demonstrably anti-social behavior and respond accordingly.

 

[Ryika]

I don't consider this place "mine." It is a community space. The community, I think, has demonstrated often enough that "Israel should be allowed to conduct genocide against basically defenseless peoples because reasons" is an opinion that is too out of step to let pass without argument. So when that opinion is shoved in again as if the results might be different I believe that it is a demonstrably anti-social behavior and respond accordingly.

Maybe I've missed something, but I think that a.) that's a strawman of his position and b.) the "proper" reaction to a person who makes statements that "the community" doesn't like is not to make personal attacks against them, especially not in a thread that is entirely separate from the original discussion, and as a response to a post that was completely innocent.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Maybe I've missed something, but I think that a.) that's a strawman of his position and b.) the "proper" reaction to a person to a person who makes statements that "the community" doesn't like is not to make personal attacks against them, especially not in a thread that is entirely separate from the original discussion, and as a response to a post that was completely innocent.

a) Fair enough. You are certainly entitled to think that.

b) I never claimed to make a habit of being "proper." I'm far more likely to aim for "effective."

 

[Ryika]

I mean... fine. I guess I'm just irritated by the fact that apparently you're allowed to behave that way.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I mean... fine. I guess I'm just irritated by the fact that apparently you're allowed to behave that way.

Yet not allowed to behave in ways that are intentionally offensive to the community at large? That's how communities work.

 

[Ryika]

Yet not allowed to behave in ways that are intentionally offensive to the community at large? That's how communities work.

I don't think there's a rule against having unpopular opinions, aside from the few that have been declared to be offlimits.

There are rules against trolling and personal attacks, and those appear to get applied very inconsistently. But I guess I'm getting dangerously close to PDMA here, so... let's leave it at that.

 

[Takhisis]

If there's a deal where everybody gets what they want, then I'm very happy.

Yeah, well, the thing is that when one side wants something that is the polar opposite of what the other wants then there's no compromising.

Maybe I've missed something, but I think that a.) that's a strawman of his position

You've missed the post where Mouthwash said he doesn't care about the rights of Arabs.