How about Nagsu I think the name is. It has two cows and a good bit of grassland.
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ThERat
Deity
The location of the FP is not that crucial. Nagsu should be ok. Just make sure to get more MGL for a knight army 
Forbidden Palace in Kutallu (on river with well-improved terrain)
An endless march of enemy units prevented me from advancing on Russia. I was taking a settler north of Kutallu to claim some of the gems when the Mongols arrived. I turned around, but they were able to take out an elite pikeman and vet MDI in mountains and murdered our settler.
Aside from a single Azted MDI, there was no action in the east.
An endless march of enemy units prevented me from advancing on Russia. I was taking a settler north of Kutallu to claim some of the gems when the Mongols arrived. I turned around, but they were able to take out an elite pikeman and vet MDI in mountains and murdered our settler.
Aside from a single Azted MDI, there was no action in the east.
Spoiler :
The game is looking good. With our cheap Libs and Unis already built we should get to Cavalry pretty quickly. We are as strong in Culture and can keep cities if we want. Keeping cities can mean pre-set up science farms later in the game.
If we are close enough we may consider waiting for a Cav army instead of Knight (though I hope we get a leader sooner than that).
If we are close enough we may consider waiting for a Cav army instead of Knight (though I hope we get a leader sooner than that).
ThERat
Deity
yup, let's hope we can get to cavalry faster
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Overseer
Got it, will play tomorrow.
TheOverseer714
Overseer
Finished up this evening, things went pretty well. Here is the turn-log:
As you can tell, my luck was mixed, but overall pretty good. I think some judicious pillaging and exploration might be worthwhile.
The save:
Spoiler :
As you can tell, my luck was mixed, but overall pretty good. I think some judicious pillaging and exploration might be worthwhile.
The save:
ThERat
Deity
Good call to keep some armies empty 
Once we have cavalry, we will be able to fight the AI properly
Once we have cavalry, we will be able to fight the AI properly
AndrewN
Prince
Got it.
There was some nice luck with the leaders in Overseer's turns, I have some games when I don't get 3 leaders I will continue the push to Cavalry.
There was some nice luck with the leaders in Overseer's turns, I have some games when I don't get 3 leaders
I will continue the push to Cavalry.
AndrewN
Prince
Inhereted turn:
Orenburg needs an aqueduct to continue growing, swap from library. Do the same for Susa's Marching Band.
Overseers turn report says we have a settler, but I don't see it. A couple will finish soon, I think we could do with some more.
Some units have movement, wake Elite* horse and kill red line Russian LB [1/0]
I would like to hit the Mongol Musket, but there is no cover.
Agade has 2 defenders which aren't needed, it is happy with no defence and way behind the front lines now so I move them out. Erech has 3 defenders so I take one of those as well.
Hit enter...
IBT:
Arabs want to talk, nope
An Ansar runs through our front lines.
Sumer Knight -> Knight
Agade Knight -> Knight
Erech Knight -> Knight
1) 810AD
Artellery does well.
Knight Army kills Ansar and Musket [3/0]
Elete horse retreats from musket. Kill it with a musket [4/0]
Army kills Aztec warrior [5/0]
Vet MDI kills Musket [6/0] but goes to 1hp, I fear it will be lost next turn
IBT:
Egypt wants to talk, go away
Yep, as I suspected the injured AI units kill out MDI
Kish Musket -> Musket
Kisurra worker -> worker
Tsetserburg settler -> settler
Anshan barracks -> musket
2) 820AD
Knight loses to redlined knight [6-1]
Elite horse loses to LB [6-2]
Kill knight with army [7-2]
Mace armies advance on Russian capital
Other armies advance on 2nd Russian city
IBT:
Aztec knight attacks and loses to our musket promoting it [8-2]
Injured LB captures 3 Trebs, will get them back soon
Ur knight -> knight
Nagsu Aqueduct -> settler
Kutha settler -> settler
3) 830AD
Assorted units bombarded at Vladivostok, all nearby units injured.
Elite MDI kills pike [9-2], it turns out I have been playing too much CivIV and he now cannot retreat dispite the road; bummer.
Trebs at Yakutsk go 3 from 8 revealing 2 defending spears but not readlining either. I will wait for the attack
The attack at Yekaterinburg would be across a river so I reposition the units for an attack next turn.
Recapture trebs and then kill the LB [10-2]
IBT:
Ansar attacks Babil and retreats
Lose exposed MDI [10-3], silly Fraxis changing the rules like that, I sure the attack rules in civII are the same as IV, how are mere mortals like me supposed to get all the games straight?
4) 840AD
Knock a point off Egyptian pike at Babil
Trebs go 4-1 at Yatutsk, still 2 spears
2 knights kill the spears [12-3] The borders haven't expanded yet so I keep it, it is reasonably placed. 2 resistors, go for some walls and it comes with its own aqueduct. We also capture a couple of workers who were hiding in there.
Bombard units at Vladivostok, kill MDI with knight [13-3]
Kill 4 muskets at Yekaterburg [16-3] and take it. Its too far from our borders so it burns. We get 3 slaves. Russia is now down to 2 cities, one by the dyes to the south and I can see the borders of the second to the north.
Kill Egyptian pike and retreated Ansar near Babil [18-3]
IBT:
Ansar retreats from Yakutsk and a second dies at Babil [19-3]
Berlin worker -> worker
Lagash musket -> knight
Akshak knight -> knight
Der worker -> worker
Kua worker -> worker
Kuara treb -> settler
We are running out of money
5) 850AD
Science down 10%, metallurgy still in 2
Bombard and kill Egyptian LB at Babil [20-3]
Bombard AI units at Yakutsk and kill Ansar and Mongol musket [22-3]
Get sight of the new Russian capital, Smolesk is size 2 and on the coast, musket defending
IBT:
Egyptian knight kills pike at Babil and Ansars kill pike and knight at Yakutsk [22-6]
Sumer knight -> knight
Bad-tibra musket -> musket
Adade knight -> knight
Erech knight -> knight
Kisurra worker -> worker
Marad harbour -> aqueduct
Kutallu - musket -> musket
6) 860AD
Science down 10% more, metal next turn
Bombardment is pathetic.
Kill Arabic settler pair for some more slaves [23-6]
Kill both Ansars that attacked last turn [25-6]
Kill Mongol MDI [26-1]
Kill Mongol musket and Egyptian knight with army [27-6] and second knight with knight [28-6]
IBT:
Lots of units run around, its getting nasty near Vladivostok
Metal in, set to MT due in 17 turns (after MM) at 20%, +1gpt. We can't really research faster , 30% is -24gpt and we only have 47 gold.
Kish musket -> musket
7) 870AD
Siege does well at Vladivostok
Kill Egyptian spear and knight [30-6] and Aztec spear, spear and LB [33-6] near Babil promoting a knight.
Kill 3 MDI near Vlad [36-6] promoting a knight
IBT:
Babil walls -> barracks
8) 880AD
Found Apisala, start on walls
Bombard and kill LB, MDI, MDI and Ansar [40-6] with knights promoting one but lose a knight on a knight [40-7]. Kill said knight with army [41-7]
Kill top defender at Smolesk revealing a spear [42-7]
IBT:
A mongol Crusader turns up near Vlad
Ur knight -> knight
Tubtub MDI -> courthouse
9) 890AD
Bombard and injure unit all along the front.
Kill Egyptian musket near Bibal [43-7] and gain a leader. Form new army
Kill Ansar, LB, Knight, MDI and MDI [48-7]
Kill spear in Smolensk and burn the city [49-7] There are now some silks visible
IBT:
Not good, a bunch of Ansars appear out of the fog and caputre and kill a bunch of slaves.
3 Mongol MDI attack musket twice and knight, the musket survives and promotes and the knight retreats but is killed by Aztec knight [51-8]
Berlin worker -> courthouse
Orenburg aqueduct -> barracks
Kisurra worker -> worker
Aztecs complete Sun Tzu
Everybody starts both Bach's and Sistine.
10) 900AD
Kill invading knight mentioned above [52-8]
Kill spear, LB and Ansar [55-8]
Notes:
The action is hot near Vlad, including a big stack of healing Mongol units that I couldn't kill due to the jungle there. I'm not sure where the Mongols and Aztecs are aiming for, it isn't Vlad as thay have both bypassed there.
The Egyptians are less of a problem and now we have Apsala the hills should slow them down. The Ansars are more of a problem, their 3 movement is still spurprising me and I fear I have left 3 trebs undefended and vunerable.
MT will be a while yet, but none of the AI's have metallurgy yet.
Russia is playing OCC, I don't know if it is worth sending units to dig their last city out of the jungle.
There are 2 luxuries visible that we don't have, I also have a settler in Babil. We also have 3 empty armies, it might be worth forming another Knight army as MT is still 16 turns away.
Orenburg needs an aqueduct to continue growing, swap from library. Do the same for Susa's Marching Band.
Overseers turn report says we have a settler, but I don't see it. A couple will finish soon, I think we could do with some more.
Some units have movement, wake Elite* horse and kill red line Russian LB [1/0]
I would like to hit the Mongol Musket, but there is no cover.
Agade has 2 defenders which aren't needed, it is happy with no defence and way behind the front lines now so I move them out. Erech has 3 defenders so I take one of those as well.
Hit enter...
IBT:
Arabs want to talk, nope
An Ansar runs through our front lines.
Sumer Knight -> Knight
Agade Knight -> Knight
Erech Knight -> Knight
1) 810AD
Artellery does well.
Knight Army kills Ansar and Musket [3/0]
Elete horse retreats from musket. Kill it with a musket [4/0]
Army kills Aztec warrior [5/0]
Vet MDI kills Musket [6/0] but goes to 1hp, I fear it will be lost next turn
IBT:
Egypt wants to talk, go away
Yep, as I suspected the injured AI units kill out MDI
Kish Musket -> Musket
Kisurra worker -> worker
Tsetserburg settler -> settler
Anshan barracks -> musket
2) 820AD
Knight loses to redlined knight
[6-1]Elite horse loses to LB [6-2]
Kill knight with army [7-2]
Mace armies advance on Russian capital
Other armies advance on 2nd Russian city
IBT:
Aztec knight attacks and loses to our musket promoting it [8-2]
Injured LB captures 3 Trebs, will get them back soon
Ur knight -> knight
Nagsu Aqueduct -> settler
Kutha settler -> settler
3) 830AD
Assorted units bombarded at Vladivostok, all nearby units injured.
Elite MDI kills pike [9-2], it turns out I have been playing too much CivIV and he now cannot retreat dispite the road; bummer.
Trebs at Yakutsk go 3 from 8 revealing 2 defending spears but not readlining either. I will wait for the attack
The attack at Yekaterinburg would be across a river so I reposition the units for an attack next turn.
Recapture trebs and then kill the LB [10-2]
IBT:
Ansar attacks Babil and retreats
Lose exposed MDI [10-3], silly Fraxis changing the rules like that, I sure the attack rules in civII are the same as IV, how are mere mortals like me supposed to get all the games straight?
4) 840AD
Knock a point off Egyptian pike at Babil
Trebs go 4-1 at Yatutsk, still 2 spears
2 knights kill the spears [12-3] The borders haven't expanded yet so I keep it, it is reasonably placed. 2 resistors, go for some walls and it comes with its own aqueduct. We also capture a couple of workers who were hiding in there.
Bombard units at Vladivostok, kill MDI with knight [13-3]
Kill 4 muskets at Yekaterburg [16-3] and take it. Its too far from our borders so it burns. We get 3 slaves. Russia is now down to 2 cities, one by the dyes to the south and I can see the borders of the second to the north.
Kill Egyptian pike and retreated Ansar near Babil [18-3]
IBT:
Ansar retreats from Yakutsk and a second dies at Babil [19-3]
Berlin worker -> worker
Lagash musket -> knight
Akshak knight -> knight
Der worker -> worker
Kua worker -> worker
Kuara treb -> settler
We are running out of money
5) 850AD
Science down 10%, metallurgy still in 2
Bombard and kill Egyptian LB at Babil [20-3]
Bombard AI units at Yakutsk and kill Ansar and Mongol musket [22-3]
Get sight of the new Russian capital, Smolesk is size 2 and on the coast, musket defending
IBT:
Egyptian knight kills pike at Babil and Ansars kill pike and knight at Yakutsk [22-6]
Sumer knight -> knight
Bad-tibra musket -> musket
Adade knight -> knight
Erech knight -> knight
Kisurra worker -> worker
Marad harbour -> aqueduct
Kutallu - musket -> musket
6) 860AD
Science down 10% more, metal next turn
Bombardment is pathetic.
Kill Arabic settler pair for some more slaves [23-6]
Kill both Ansars that attacked last turn [25-6]
Kill Mongol MDI [26-1]
Kill Mongol musket and Egyptian knight with army [27-6] and second knight with knight [28-6]
IBT:
Lots of units run around, its getting nasty near Vladivostok
Metal in, set to MT due in 17 turns (after MM) at 20%, +1gpt. We can't really research faster , 30% is -24gpt and we only have 47 gold.
Kish musket -> musket
7) 870AD
Siege does well at Vladivostok
Kill Egyptian spear and knight [30-6] and Aztec spear, spear and LB [33-6] near Babil promoting a knight.
Kill 3 MDI near Vlad [36-6] promoting a knight
IBT:
Babil walls -> barracks
8) 880AD
Found Apisala, start on walls
Bombard and kill LB, MDI, MDI and Ansar [40-6] with knights promoting one but lose a knight on a knight [40-7]. Kill said knight with army [41-7]
Kill top defender at Smolesk revealing a spear [42-7]
IBT:
A mongol Crusader turns up near Vlad
Ur knight -> knight
Tubtub MDI -> courthouse
9) 890AD
Bombard and injure unit all along the front.
Kill Egyptian musket near Bibal [43-7] and gain a leader. Form new army
Kill Ansar, LB, Knight, MDI and MDI [48-7]
Kill spear in Smolensk and burn the city [49-7] There are now some silks visible
IBT:
Not good, a bunch of Ansars appear out of the fog and caputre and kill a bunch of slaves.
3 Mongol MDI attack musket twice and knight, the musket survives and promotes and the knight retreats but is killed by Aztec knight [51-8]
Berlin worker -> courthouse
Orenburg aqueduct -> barracks
Kisurra worker -> worker
Aztecs complete Sun Tzu
Everybody starts both Bach's and Sistine.
10) 900AD
Kill invading knight mentioned above [52-8]
Kill spear, LB and Ansar [55-8]
Notes:
The action is hot near Vlad, including a big stack of healing Mongol units that I couldn't kill due to the jungle there. I'm not sure where the Mongols and Aztecs are aiming for, it isn't Vlad as thay have both bypassed there.
The Egyptians are less of a problem and now we have Apsala the hills should slow them down. The Ansars are more of a problem, their 3 movement is still spurprising me and I fear I have left 3 trebs undefended and vunerable.
MT will be a while yet, but none of the AI's have metallurgy yet.
Russia is playing OCC, I don't know if it is worth sending units to dig their last city out of the jungle.
There are 2 luxuries visible that we don't have, I also have a settler in Babil. We also have 3 empty armies, it might be worth forming another Knight army as MT is still 16 turns away.
ThERat
Deity
Well, I think most of us here have stopped playing Civ4 as we like the war mongering gameplay and Civ4 is not good at that. Some of the rules are nice though like the retreat on a road. However, I rather live with some shortfalls of the game and not worry about WW. (for me the biggest let down of Civ4)
Our research is still pathetic. Either we have too many units or too few luxes...This has to change.
Got it
TheOverseer714
Overseer
We need more settlements to get more support for one. Research can be shut off temporarily once we get Military Tradition, so if we can just get there, we'll be fine. Also, I think blocking the other Egypt choke might ease some pressure. Last but not least, an army of Knights could be sent to pillage every Horse and Iron tile in sight. Especially the Arab Horses, those Ansars can be a pain.
AndrewN
Prince
Well, I think most of us here have stopped playing Civ4 as we like the war mongering gameplay and Civ4 is not good at that. Some of the rules are nice though like the retreat on a road. However, I rather live with some shortfalls of the game and not worry about WW. (for me the biggest let down of Civ4)
Yep, that's why I still play III, but there are some nice features of IV which is why I play that was well, my main gripe about IV is the slowdown in the modern eras.
Luxuries, we are running happiness at 30% at the moment, if we wanted to lower it the the cost would be in units (that we don't have) as MP and we are still a smidgen light in the old Russian lands. A good short term target would be the two lux we can now see, I would have liked to keep the two Russian cities I burned but I felt it was too dangerous.
ThERat
Deity
Pre-Turn
looking who has the most money, it is clear to me that Egypt must be the target
just so that you know what is the power of MM. I lower the lux to 20%, MM and employ more scientists without really compromising production.
And we are down to 12 turns to MT with a profit of 17gpt
I increase science a notch and we get to 10 turns for MT
2 ansars can either take our trebs or take out Babil
use 2 muskets to cover each
I decide that I will fill more armies with knights, we can't afford such a weak front
IT true enough the Ansars attack Babil, lose against our musket but defeat the pike
Aztecs lose a knight [2-1]
Arabs finish Bach
1. 910AD
fill a knight army at Tutub
bombard units at the front and take out a total of 6 units [8-1]
though our knight army doesn't do so well, raze Egypt pop 1 Kahun for 163 gold
increases science a notch, MT in 8
2. 920AD
found Dabrum to protect our frontlines a little better
defeat 7 units this time round [15-1]
3. 930AD
Egypt is getting richer, we really ought to use this
defeat 3 units and gain a leader, this will make up for the 3 knight armies we have now
find out we cant form another army at the moment though
defeat 2 more enemies [20-1]
4. 940AD
it's time for some serious damage, attack Hirancopolis, and raze the city after taking out
3 muskets and 1 LB, we gain 294gold
take out 3 more units but lose an elite knight [27-2]
science up to 50%, MT in 4
IT we repel an ansar attack at Kutallu
5. 950AD
move a healthy army into Egypt
defeat 3 units but lose a mace against a red mace [31-3]
6. 960AD
defeat 3 units, we need cavalry to make real progress here [34-3]
a LB is threatening our mountain block, send another knight there
IT LB attacks but loses to our red pike [35-3]
7. 970AD
defeat 6 units [41-3]
lower science a notch
IT finally get MT, on to banking in 4 at -60gpt
8. 980AD
found Susa, now we get another army
upgrade 4 knights for now
clear 4 units then 2 muskets in Memphis [47-3]
IT the pike survives barely another Lb attack, will get a musket there
9. 990AD
upgrade 1 knight and take out 5 enemy units [52-3]
send a cav army to the front
10. 1000AD
with the help of the 3 cav army and a knight army, that almost goes down, we take out memphis defeating 3 muskets
give us the money to continue deficit research (372gold)
start to attack Baruun-urt defeating 1 musket
shift armies around so we can settle to claim the next lux in 2 turns
we also have a settler in Dabrum so we can claim dyes once Baruun-Urt is gone
the second cav army is filled with 2 units at the moment
looking who has the most money, it is clear to me that Egypt must be the target
just so that you know what is the power of MM. I lower the lux to 20%, MM and employ more scientists without really compromising production.
And we are down to 12 turns to MT with a profit of 17gpt
I increase science a notch and we get to 10 turns for MT
2 ansars can either take our trebs or take out Babil
use 2 muskets to cover each
I decide that I will fill more armies with knights, we can't afford such a weak front
IT true enough the Ansars attack Babil, lose against our musket but defeat the pike
Aztecs lose a knight [2-1]
Arabs finish Bach
1. 910AD
fill a knight army at Tutub
bombard units at the front and take out a total of 6 units [8-1]
though our knight army doesn't do so well, raze Egypt pop 1 Kahun for 163 gold
increases science a notch, MT in 8
2. 920AD
found Dabrum to protect our frontlines a little better
defeat 7 units this time round [15-1]
3. 930AD
Egypt is getting richer, we really ought to use this
defeat 3 units and gain a leader, this will make up for the 3 knight armies we have now
find out we cant form another army at the moment though
defeat 2 more enemies [20-1]
4. 940AD
it's time for some serious damage, attack Hirancopolis, and raze the city after taking out
3 muskets and 1 LB, we gain 294gold
take out 3 more units but lose an elite knight [27-2]
science up to 50%, MT in 4
IT we repel an ansar attack at Kutallu
5. 950AD
move a healthy army into Egypt
defeat 3 units but lose a mace against a red mace [31-3]
6. 960AD
defeat 3 units, we need cavalry to make real progress here [34-3]
a LB is threatening our mountain block, send another knight there
IT LB attacks but loses to our red pike [35-3]
7. 970AD
defeat 6 units [41-3]
lower science a notch
IT finally get MT, on to banking in 4 at -60gpt
8. 980AD
found Susa, now we get another army
upgrade 4 knights for now
clear 4 units then 2 muskets in Memphis [47-3]
IT the pike survives barely another Lb attack, will get a musket there
9. 990AD
upgrade 1 knight and take out 5 enemy units [52-3]
send a cav army to the front
10. 1000AD
with the help of the 3 cav army and a knight army, that almost goes down, we take out memphis defeating 3 muskets
give us the money to continue deficit research (372gold)
start to attack Baruun-urt defeating 1 musket
shift armies around so we can settle to claim the next lux in 2 turns
we also have a settler in Dabrum so we can claim dyes once Baruun-Urt is gone
the second cav army is filled with 2 units at the moment
ThERat
Deity
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ThERat
Greebley - up
Mathias
TheOverseer
AndrewN
With 4 luxes soon, we should be able to get to 10% lux and then really roll out cavalry. We surely want to get steam as soon as possible.
I am convinced we are on a pangaea with 1 nation offshore
ThERat
Greebley - up
Mathias
TheOverseer
AndrewN
With 4 luxes soon, we should be able to get to 10% lux and then really roll out cavalry. We surely want to get steam as soon as possible.
I am convinced we are on a pangaea with 1 nation offshore
Excellent progress. I got it.
Are many units coming from the West? It looks like the amount of land will be limited in that direction.
Are many units coming from the West? It looks like the amount of land will be limited in that direction.
ThERat
Deity
From the west?
nothing we can't handle with our frontline cities. The enemy comes with some units, but all our catapults and trebs keep them at bay.
The main reason to go after Egypt is the insane amount of money we can get.
nothing we can't handle with our frontline cities. The enemy comes with some units, but all our catapults and trebs keep them at bay.
The main reason to go after Egypt is the insane amount of money we can get.
handy900
Deity
Good to see you guys still playing AW!!
TheOverseer714
Overseer
I agree that we're on a Pangaea and I think America is the offshore nation. I think what we need beyond attacking Egypt for cash is a wave of settlers to increase unit support and nail down luxuries. Having Cavalry should change the equation from us being attacked to us attacking. Looks good!
Hi Handy
I was mostly wondering because as far as laying down new cities, the west looks better. The cash though is east. Ideal would be if the west is weak enough to continue to settle outward and maybe take cities with trebs and such while the Armies go for the Egyptian cities.
Money can also be fickle and switch hands.
I was mostly wondering because as far as laying down new cities, the west looks better. The cash though is east. Ideal would be if the west is weak enough to continue to settle outward and maybe take cities with trebs and such while the Armies go for the Egyptian cities.
Money can also be fickle and switch hands.
