Realism Invictus

I wish I could use some diplo options* from RAND into RI but I think there are not compatible. I'd rather play RI even thoug Im missing some RAND stuff. In life you cannot have it all ;)
 
Are alliances other than Permanent Alliances even a thing in civ4? It's been years since I last played without RI, so I can't remember, but I didn't think they were.
 
Hi there, I started a game with SVN revision 5225 and reached modern era, then I created a scenerio trhough world builder to continue the game with revision 5231 updates. It works but as soon as civilizations switches gov their flags turns white, red, black, etc. What am I missing?
 
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Alliances were disabled because they tended to cause ginourmous world wars or just result in geopolitical gridlock. However, you can turn them on in a specific file somewhere.

Also, about the multiple of the same civ appearing, I think that is fine with the new dynamic name system. Perhaps just make sure the same leader doesn't get used, if at all possible. Also, may I suggest that different leaders have different country names - i.e. the Nguni leaders Nelson Mandela and Shaka rule South Africa and Zulu respectively.
 
What Walter is doing with civ dynamic names and flags its a beauty. An admirable addition to all those unit models you can enjoy watching on the field. Its far the best mod for those who look for some kind of realism. As a 40+ years old player like me enjoying this PC game like a child is priceless. My last wish to crown this mod would be by adding a little depth into diplo issues, like unfold "open borders" in two options like trade agreements (include tech transfer) and free pass of military units as a separate issue. Or the possibility to trade or give military units (except soldiers or workers) Have non aggression pacts or defensive pacts. Thats all. Thanks again for your woderfull work Walter and collaborators!!
 
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It would be nice if the (aesthetic) rebel states were vulnerable to the anti-barbarian promotions. The value of those went right down when the barbarians started confederating into civs.

Eh, I thought about it and it just causes more problems. There is no way of distinguishing your rebels from any other rebels, so it would turn that into an ideal tool for sniping the cities from other civs when they rebel. What might be good instead is if they reduced the separatism in cities these units are stationed in, but I will see if I can code it in an efficient way. Don't want to slow down stuff too much with calculations.

Thanks for the work, as always. I haven't seen multiples of the same civ again, but I haven't seen the same circumstances: on a large continent about three civs had conquered their rivals, then in the 19th century collapsed into anarchy (because they're bad at managing revolt risk, as you've explained) and over time there were multiple egypts with different leaders.

Multiples do happen still, but yeah, now they should be visually separate. So now the system should be working as intended.

I have a doubt about the values of the walls, and castles in the city, the wiki says that the castle increases the defense of the city by 50%, but in the file buildinginfo, idefence is 0, I find nothing in that file that confirms that value of 50 %, while the palisades, which the guide says defense increased by 25%, idefence is 25. Same thing for the castle that has idefence 0, but in the wiki says that it increases defenses by 30%. I'm wrong, or that value is not idefence, or for wall and castle is iobsoletesafedefence that is 50 for wall and 30 for castle?

I think it's just some technical stuff related to how walls/palisades interact with each other. Should be working as intended in game anyway.

Loving the new flags and dynamic naming, and I can't wait until they're all done.

One minor (cosmetic) thing that I'm not sure is a typo: Playing as Armenia (Huge World Map), at the game start the initial pop-up and early leaders keep calling me "Bedouin". My ancient history is a little rusty, but wikipedia tells me that bedouin refers to the desert peoples further south. Maybe we got lumped in with Arabia (who do refer to themselves as Bedouin in-game).

Clarification/update: Actually, while my civ name on the scoreboard is "Nairi Tribes", everywhere else (including tool-tipping my territory) I'm listed as "Bedouins".

Thanks for pointing out a typo. Fixed. BTW, further suggestions for flags/names are quite welcome, I am not omnipotent, I can always miss stuff.

You are right, it should be possible to establish aliances, or defensive pacts at least!

As pointed by others, defensive pacts were intentionally disabled, as unlike in real world, they actually did a fine job at preventing world wars. In my tests I've never seen a single war in the world after defensive pacts were unlocked.

Alliances were disabled because they tended to cause ginourmous world wars or just result in geopolitical gridlock. However, you can turn them on in a specific file somewhere.

Also, about the multiple of the same civ appearing, I think that is fine with the new dynamic name system. Perhaps just make sure the same leader doesn't get used, if at all possible. Also, may I suggest that different leaders have different country names - i.e. the Nguni leaders Nelson Mandela and Shaka rule South Africa and Zulu respectively.

All in the plans. :)

I want to do the base versions for every civ first, and then I'll delve into the leader-specific stuff for a bit.

What Walter is doing with civ dynamic names and flags its a beauty. An admirable addition to all those unit models you can enjoy watching on the field. Its far the best mod for those who look for some kind of realism. As a 40+ years old player like me enjoying this PC game like a child is priceless. My last wish to crown this mod would be by adding a little depth into diplo issues, like unfold "open borders" in two options like trade agreements (include tech transfer) and free pass of military units as a separate issue. Or the possibility to trade or give military units (except soldiers or workers) Have non aggression pacts or defensive pacts. Thats all. Thanks again for your woderfull work Walter and collaborators!!

It is pointless to request new diplomatic features from me. It's more or less on the level of requesting me turning the map into hex-based instead of square-based. It's just not technically possible for me to do.

I get a crash when playing on earth evolutions with the latest SVN. I've attached the save.

Windows 10
16gb Ram
3gb Vram

All further sources of that particular kind of crash should be solved now.

Hi Walter, started a game under revision 5233. Will next updates (if any) be save game compatible?

Ugh, I don't really get why people feel there are any "save game compatible" SVN updates at all. This has caused me so much trouble over the years. Not only are you ruining your own game, but later I see and have to investigate "bugs" reported that don't really come from RI at all. As always when asked this question:

You never update SVN during an ongoing game, excluding very specific and rare cases where an update is rolled out to fix a very specific crash issue you are currently experiencing - but then I will be sure to inform people that it is safe to update. To reiterate, the answer to this question is always NO. There are no save game compatible updates, even when they look that way. I should probably make sure that each update causes instant CTD in existing games, to minimize the amount of issues people experience with SVN.
 
Hello Walter, thank you for the great effort in this mod

I was thinking, why not German Empire name and flag under monarchy government to the german civ?
 
hi folks,

i wonder - can i play RI 3.4 in multiplayer? without oos?

Didn't try it myself, but people have been reporting mixed results - worked for some, OOS for some. I tried to hunt down all possible sources in SVN, and either eliminate them outright, or at least make major components responsible toggleable so they can be turned off for an MP game.

Hello Walter, thank you for the great effort in this mod

I was thinking, why not German Empire name and flag under monarchy government to the german civ?

For naming schemes, I generally reserved "... empire" names (and flags that go with them) for Despotism civic (which in RI is also a monarchy, just with more authoritarian leanings). So the flag and name are already in RI, just for a different-flavored Germany. :)

I would have considered using this flag for Monarchy civic anyway, if Germany didn't have any other historically appropriate options - but Germany is one of those civs that actually have more good options than I had an opportunity to use. I may end up using North German Confederation (that had the same flag as Imperial Germany) for Bismarck if/when I do leader-specific ones. But I won't be using "German Empire" name for non-despotism civics to avoid player confusion. Unlike contemporary England for instance, Germany post-unification doesn't actually have a non-imperial official name.
 
hi folks,

i wonder - can i play RI 3.4 in multiplayer? without oos?

Me and my friend had success getting rid of OOS by creating a virtaul LAN and disabling events. We play on (Don't select) size (same as huge but with bigger research penalty/city costs) with 10 total players. Have come throughhalf of industrial era without desync. We also got rid of loading games getting OOS. Steam multiplayer coordinator sucks. Create a LAN. You can search my post history to find the solution we use.

Hope you have fun playing RI. It's a great mod! And more fun to play with a friend.
 
This mod is beautiful, but it has the same problem as other mods about historical scenariofor example, ethiopia and mali in the Medieval scenario are too strong as nations, very rich in resources and with very strong army , while any nation of Europe leaves with very little possibility of expansion, and therefore very few resources. All this with realism has nothing to do. I'm sorry. If any nation has so much space to expand and so many resources, for the balance it should have weaker troops, other things then it happens that in medieval scenario it is better to play with Mali for exple than with Venice or Spain or Sacro romano impero o Papal stat. It is anti-historical. All nations in a classic gameplay (not historical scenario) it is right that they are even, but in a historical scenario one should respect history.
simply to respect the history of the scenario, one should give to the nations that in the medieval period, they were not powerful, but that for geographical reasons they have a great chance of expanding
, malus in economy, malus in resources, malus in defense and malus in the army, otherwise
then we can't talk about realism
Congratulations again for the mod.
 
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@globosud: You forget that this mod is balanced for random maps first, and the huge world map is just a bonus feature. Ultimately these two goals cannot be reconciled completely.
 
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