Red Diamond Threads

[Defiant47]

That is to say, as long as a mod doesn't make it into a RD thread anyways.

They typically ask the OP first. As far as I can tell, the thread is made RD when the alternative is locking it due to the plethora of spam and unproductive responses. So then you have a choice: go with the non-RD thread, in which case there isn't any because it got locked (and would have gotten locked anyways regardless of the Red Diamond Initiative); or go with the RD thread.

Let me show it under another light : why moderation should have different standards ?

Lax standards are applied when you want a thread that is lighthearted and contains comments diverse in their relevance and usefulness. Stricter standards are applied when you want to cut away all of that and ensure that what remains is a proper form of discussion and discourse.

The result is that you have the option of setting increased moderation standards in order to increase the likelihood of more serious discussion.

 

[Birdjaguar]

BTW, BirdJag, is the two-speed policy going to be permanent? I.e. will we always be allowed to have non-RD and RD threads side-by-side on the same topic? If so, please for the love of god change the OP so that you can explain clearly and accurately how RD threads are actually supposed to be used. The way it's described now is frankly terrible; it doesn't reflect how RD actually works in practice, it has a whole bunch of scary future intentions that alienate most of the users and have turned a lot of people against it, and in any case the way it's described in the OP is nowhere near the best way to make use out of RD. So please change it...

Thanks. The OP is quite old and now out of date. The experience of trying this out has redirected my thinking as well as others. The idea of RD signaling increased moderation is a good one. when RL gives me the chance, I will lock this thread and then post a new one that better addresses the how to move forward.

You have a few more days to post your ideas on the best use of the RD status.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

Whose opinions matter most? For 98% of the posts here, no one's matters most, but for the 3% that get folks riled up enough to report, the moderators and admins opinions count more than yours. The minute you post a controversial (to someone) item, your opinion becomes secondary to those who have the responsibility to try and keep a semblance of order. Just like your opinions, the opinions of staff are biased by a lifetime of experience and their time as a mod here.

Solid organic bovine waste material. Moderators and admins don't always get it right, and there have been instances when they've refused to admit that, for whatever reason. It's a slap in the face to the member(s) against whom the offending rules violation was done to say that their opinions matter less than the opinions of those who are supposed to be looking out for them.

Moderators are here to serve the forum, not dictate to it and dismiss the members' opinions as less important.

98 + 3 = 100?

Birdjaguar is a poet, not a mathematician.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Moderators and admins don't always get it right, and there have been instances when they've refused to admit that, for whatever reason. It's a slap in the face to the member(s) against whom the offending rules violation was done to say that their opinions matter less than the opinions of those who are supposed to be looking out for them.

Moderators are here to serve the forum, not dictate to it and dismiss the members' opinions as less important.

The reality, whether we like it or not, is that when posts get reported or infracted, the opinion of the staff do carry more weight (matter more) than that of the general membership. That fact has nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not the opinion is correct. And, the admission of error is completely separate from whose opinion matters in issuing infractions (or not).

Some posters can be persuasive enough to change moderator positions on infractions, others not so much. If staff opinions did not carry extra weight, then we would not be able to moderate at all.

You are mixing items that should not be mixed. "Serving the forum" and dealing with individuals involves a delicate balance of priorities and actions. Over simplification of the issues does a disservice to the all parties involved.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

The reality, whether we like it or not, is that when posts get reported or infracted, the opinion of the staff do carry more weight (matter more) than that of the general membership. That fact has nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not the opinion is correct. And, the admission of error is completely separate from whose opinion matters in issuing infractions (or not).

Some posters can be persuasive enough to change moderator positions on infractions, others not so much. If staff opinions did not carry extra weight, then we would not be able to moderate at all.

You are mixing items that should not be mixed. "Serving the forum" and dealing with individuals involves a delicate balance of priorities and actions. Over simplification of the issues does a disservice to the all parties involved.

My apologies for "mixing up" things that seem perfectly straightforward to me. Just let me ask: If you're not serving the forum's members by giving your time and mental energies moderating, who or what are you serving?

 

[Takhisis]

The will of the owner of this place, whose opinion is the only one that counts, ultimately. I'd hazard a bet on that one.

 

[Dreadnought]

The will of the owner of this place, whose opinion is the only one that counts, ultimately. I'd hazard a bet on that one.

That mentality never gets anyone too far in the right direction.

 

[Takhisis]

Actually, it does go 'right'.

 

[Kozmos]

I've never seen Thunderfall speak on OT and which direction it should take. So a big part of my frustration is that seems we are shepherded by those few with power in the direction they arbitrarily see as fit.

If he really wanted all these changes from autocensor, to RD, to each thread absolutely must having a 'discussion' I'd be cool with it, since hey his site, I don't pay for it, etc.