Remember remember the 11th of September

[Kyriakos]

Regardless of whether 9/11 was staged or not, fact is it enabled the hell that followed.

 

[Silurian]

Regardless of whether 9/11 was staged or not, fact is it enabled the hell that followed.

Well if Mechanicalsalvation is correct about 911 how do we know that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan actually happenned.
It could all be part of the same vast government conspiracy.

The CIA masterminded the fall of the Shah and the hostages were mostly CIA operatives with the hostage situation was just cover.
The artificial hostility between the USA and Iran is further evidence.
The war in Afghanistan was mostly carried out by US special forces to keep the Taliban in power as a useful demon.
When Iraq was attacked it was largely undertaken by the Iranians. Most of the shock and awe was carried out by Iranian F16s.
Again US special foeces were used but dressed as regular troops for the embedded TV crews who were not allowed out of their sight.
Regular US troops were flown to Germany then back to an area next to Area 51 where they did their "Tours".

What other explanation could there be.

 

[Arakhor]

@Arakhor privately asked me to note "that was awfully dumb of the truck".

Well, I don't disagree, but I don't actually recall asking you to do that.

 

[Kyriakos]

Well, I don't disagree, but I don't actually recall asking you to do that.

I am playing along, no need to fear

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Well, I don't disagree, but I don't actually recall asking you to do that.

At least that means the right person got credit for my like

Plus I like the idea of a dumb truck.

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

Bridges are designed not to collapse right. So how do you explain these?

Wonderful. Your logic: just becouse I have seen someone getting hurt by accident I have no reason to suppose that people get injured becouse of hostility of others. I hope you want bring any more arguments into this thread or the whole thing may get completely debunked and I will have to look for totally new conspiracy to get myself emberrassed with.

 

[Arakhor]

... the whole thing may get completely debunked and I will have to look for totally new conspiracy to get myself emberrassed with.

My father has a saying for moments like these: "Never a truer word spoken in jest."

 

[warpus]

A lot of people think Bush did 9/11 but what if Obama did 9/11

I mean, what if George Washington planned 9/11? He was a master tactician, it's not outside the realm of possibility that he put a plan in place that took over 200 years to come to fruition.

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

My father has a saying for moments like these: "Never a truer word spoken in jest."

My mom:"I will cross that bridge when I come to it."

 

[Arakhor]

My mom:"I will cross that bridge when I come to it."

That's the essential delight of a conspiracy theory - you never have to cross that bridge unless you want to.

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

I mean, what if George Washington planned 9/11? He was a master tactician, it's not outside the realm of possibility that he put a plan in place that took over 200 years to come to fruition.

You know there is something called "motive" but thats usually needed only in the real world so dont let that disturb you.

 

[Arakhor]

You know there is something called "motive" but thats usually needed only in the real world so dont let that disturb you.

Your main issue with that post is that Washington lacked the motive for doing it?

 

[Silurian]

I mean, what if George Washington planned 9/11? He was a master tactician, it's not outside the realm of possibility that he put a plan in place that took over 200 years to come to fruition.

That would make sense.

Obviously longterm conspiracies do happen.
The recent TV program Timeless is evidence of this.
The Govenment is putting out stories close to the truth to confuse and as a means of debunking the truth.
George Washington was a member Rittenhouse but the real name was "The cherry takers"

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

That's the essential delight of a conspiracy theory - you never have to cross that bridge unless you want to.

Oh yeah I am having such a great time thinking about actions of bunch of psychopatic criminals that sometimes I cant help but to think they are just some really nice guys keen on spreading lots of essential delight to the lucky ones.

Your main issue with that post is that Washington lacked the motive for doing it?

You are welcome to waste your time with it on my behalf.

 

[VicRatlhead5199]

You dont have to necessarily view 9/11 and the invasions as part of the same event but rather as a gradation of the hidden agenda.
The 9/11 false flag in itself has done "great job" in many respects. It scared the population into an atmosphere of submision in which laws could have been passed previously unthinkable in the land of the free and prepared the needed ground for the perpetual war on terror or war on anybody going against the interest of the neocons. It also allowed cover for number of previous crimes.

The fact that the citizens of Saudi Arabia were involved is interesting on the face of that Sauds and US are allies but I suppose the reason here is that there were easier to "work with" on such a massive project than say Iraqi or Iranians would. The US had inspite of the Saudi involvement clearly gave them complete diplomatic cover which is yet another bizzare fact quite obviously pointing at collusion.



The two are not exclusive. On the contrary these two positions are complementary. The manipulation you are talking about is a conspiracy against the American citizens in itself and the one has very much faciliated the other. The rationale here is simple: if you lie to me once on the scale which leads to tremendous destruction and war crimes I have no reason to suppose you will not do it in different form again.

Think about what you're saying here. The Saudi terrorists were easier to convince to commit a SUICIDE attack on an "ally" at the behest of that ally's secret interests rather than their own ideology. The US shadow agencies decided it'd be easier to use Saudi terrorists for the attacks and then fool to public into keeping Saudi Arabia as an ally and attacking Iraq instead. That was their plan? The CIA, FBI or whatever organisation was behind the conspiracy couldn't drum up a few Iraqi/Afghan stooges to ride in the planes with them or even fake documents to ensure outrage was focused on their intended target(s)?

Nah, the attack happened and then the warhawks in the Bush admin, congress and the media used it to first focus anger on the Middle East and ultimately on the targets they wanted to attack. Our mass media is a joke. Major defense contractors like GE own portions of the media and beat the drums for war constantly. They don't need to implicate themselves in a mass conspiracy including thousands of people who could leak at any time when they can easily manipulate any situation into cause for war on any target they choose.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

That would make sense.

Obviously longterm conspiracies do happen.
The recent TV program Timeless is evidence of this.
The Govenment is putting out stories close to the truth to confuse and as a means of debunking the truth.
George Washington was a member Rittenhouse but the real name was "The cherry takers"

Gah. That series started so promisingly, and then it became a convoluted mess.

I prefer the fanfiction, in which the three of them get back and discover history has been changed so Wyatt and Lucy are married, and have a child.

 

[red_elk]

The US shadow agencies decided it'd be easier to use Saudi terrorists for the attacks and then fool to public into keeping Saudi Arabia as an ally and attacking Iraq instead. That was their plan? The CIA, FBI or whatever organisation was behind the conspiracy couldn't drum up a few Iraqi/Afghan stooges to ride in the planes with them or even fake documents to ensure outrage was focused on their intended target(s)?

Iraq invasion was done under false pretext, but unrelated to 9/11. Afghanistan, on the other hand, was a direct consequence of 9/11, because Taliban refused to hand over Osama. That was official pretext and it seemed valid back then, even for people outside USA.

 

[warpus]

Iraq invasion was done under false pretext, but unrelated to 9/11. Afghanistan, on the other hand, was a direct consequence of 9/11, because Taliban refused to hand over Osama. That was official pretext and it seemed valid back then, even for people outside USA.

Without 9/11 the invasion of Iraq would have never happened. Not during that time period anyway.

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

Well if Mechanicalsalvation is correct about 911 how do we know that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan actually happenned.
It could all be part of the same vast government conspiracy.

The CIA masterminded the fall of the Shah and the hostages were mostly CIA operatives with the hostage situation was just cover.
The artificial hostility between the USA and Iran is further evidence.
The war in Afghanistan was mostly carried out by US special forces to keep the Taliban in power as a useful demon.
When Iraq was attacked it was largely undertaken by the Iranians. Most of the shock and awe was carried out by Iranian F16s.
Again US special foeces were used but dressed as regular troops for the embedded TV crews who were not allowed out of their sight.
Regular US troops were flown to Germany then back to an area next to Area 51 where they did their "Tours".

What other explanation could there be.

There is a vast space between the extremes of complete secrecy and utter deception. Partial truth, corruption, blackmail, sense of false righteousness, sense of superiority and many other factors have to be counted in. The mastery is to convince majority about greed is good, democracy can be spread with war, humanitarian bombing, etc.

 

[metalhead]

Oh jesus, THIS nonsense is what this thread is about?